tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post1007827789279191764..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: CANA and its Chaplains.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-63007465703080616542009-08-07T10:58:12.206-04:002009-08-07T10:58:12.206-04:00Having worked for some time with the Office of the...Having worked for some time with the Office of the Bishop of the Armed Forces and Federal Chaplaincies (although there is no canonical responsibility, Bishop Packard and his predecessors have been advocates in the House of Bishops and at 815 for health care chaplains as well), as I recall there something under 150 Episcopal chaplains on active duty. There are also Episcopal chaplains serving Reserve and Guard units, but that number doesn't come to mind. Again, there are Episcopal health care chaplains in VA centers, both full time and on contract. There are also a small number of Episcopal chaplains serving in Federal corrections and law enforcement organizations.<br /><br />Bishop Packard has made a point of serving not only the chaplains in the military, but also all the other Episcopalians. He has also to the best of his ability supported the roughly 300 health care chaplains and the "first responder" chaplains (police and fire) who, as I said, are responsible to our diocesan bishops but appreciate his support and advocacy for our work.Marshall Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-22272220070146805272009-08-06T01:37:58.424-04:002009-08-06T01:37:58.424-04:00Additionally, chaplains are officers, and there ar...Additionally, chaplains are officers, and there are enlisted Episcopalians; I know both them and TEC chaplains who serve them. Additionally, women have been allowed to stand at the altar both inside and outside the military for sometime now...I know a female USAF chaplain who loves her job.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06238171270006891748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-89006685237444429362009-08-06T01:31:02.537-04:002009-08-06T01:31:02.537-04:00Brad, get a clue.
Over half the military age male...Brad, get a clue.<br /><br />Over half the military age males in the US aren't even eligible to enter the US military because of its standards. Three branches of the military are basically recruiting for the top 20% of the 18-25 male bracket. Even the Army is only open to the top 40%.<br /><br />My last unit on active duty was overwhelmingly working- and middle-class. And that was many years ago, standards are higher now (except for the Army).<br /><br />FrMichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-59663734268711011062009-08-06T00:47:53.251-04:002009-08-06T00:47:53.251-04:00PS - I personally believe he is a reboot of the ja...PS - I personally believe he is a reboot of the jackass formerly known as Fred Preuss, who disappeared after being moderated out, about the same time Brad here appeared.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-60345123861818861742009-08-06T00:46:05.228-04:002009-08-06T00:46:05.228-04:00Mark,
I'm surprised you have been unaware of ...Mark,<br /><br />I'm surprised you have been unaware of Brad - or "Sad Brad," as MadPriest calls him - up til now. <br /><br />He claims to be an atheist and behaves like a lonely, bored 14 year old showing off his cleverness to himself. The general response has been to simply zap any comments from him in moderation. He quickly tires of having no audience and does, indeed, buzz off.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-80169175907931191732009-08-05T23:14:06.884-04:002009-08-05T23:14:06.884-04:00Brad,
As a veteran of military service, enlisted...Brad, <br /><br />As a veteran of military service, enlisted, a college graduate, and parents who were (to put it mildly) upper class, I find your characterization offensive. I enlisted to serve my country. I served with folks from all ranges of socio-economic class, race, religion, etc etc. In fact, my service with "those folks" was my greatest life lesson in how being from a certain class didn't make me more likely to shoot well, march well, or anything else. You're right that troops prefer straight male chaplains. And that Episcopalians were hard to find. As to fundamentalism, I went to both Protestant and RC services and they were both "fundamentalist" in the sense that theological nuance isn't much appreciated as you ponder your death by IED. So, whatever political point you wanted to make.. you didn't and you need to reconsider and re-research your opinions of our fine soldiers, sailors, airman and marines.<br /><br />trooper. USA 1985-1990Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-24066264367283647292009-08-05T22:41:03.379-04:002009-08-05T22:41:03.379-04:00If their web pages are up-to-date they only have 2...If their web pages are up-to-date they only have 21 military chaplains (plus one in the pipeline). Another 6 are VA, Hospital, or Hospice chaplains. Three are fire or law enforcement chaplains (one of whom is also a hospice chaplain). One university chaplain, two prison chaplains (one of whom doubles as a hospital chaplain), three community chaplains (one who doubles as a hospital chaplain).<br /><br />So by my count 33 chaplains. All three listed as having just joined are on the pages already (though two are listed as transfer which probably means they are already military chaplains and are coming from another denomination that does not have an ordination recognized by CANA).<br /><br />Brad, women can be US military chaplains.Erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18037406583478493064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-68683401692243913502009-08-05T22:34:05.090-04:002009-08-05T22:34:05.090-04:00Brad... and I suppose CANA is just full of people ...Brad... and I suppose CANA is just full of people who are "poor /relatively uneducated, etc..."<br /><br />You have not the faintest idea what I fought for or against. I am, oddly enough, for the draft precisely because if it is applied without favor it fills the military with a cross section of the citizens, a good number of whom will know a rotten war when they see it, and who will not forget who screwed them.<br /><br />You are fast using up your time here.<br /><br />I gather you are not part of The Episcopal Church. Buzz off.Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-37565259217603671102009-08-05T18:38:59.158-04:002009-08-05T18:38:59.158-04:00Episcopalians, except for certain sections of the ...Episcopalians, except for certain sections of the officer class, haven't been part of the armed forces, certainly not as enlisted personnel, since the end of the draft over 35 years ago.<br /> You don't need chaplains. The armed forces' chaplains are becoming more fundamentalist because only the poor/relatively uneducated have been joining the ranks for over 35 years.<br /> You fought against the draft-now only the poor and working class serve-and you're overwhelmingly not poor/working class.<br /> Unless you'd like to join up to try and convert them, or at least direct them socio-politically, you're probably wasting your time.<br /> The fact that so many of your clergy are now female and/or gay wouldn't help you as chaplains, either.Brad Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17381562723928616425noreply@blogger.com