tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post1134868847843370055..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Statements Short of the Mark from Those in High Places.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-57991599167203732182007-12-19T14:04:00.000-05:002007-12-19T14:04:00.000-05:00check out Louie Crew's blog and see how many lette...<I>check out Louie Crew's blog and see how many letters he regularly appends to his name when he signs off on correspondence. I wonder why he feels the need to do that.</I><BR/><BR/>Do you really want to know, Brian? If so, ask <B>Louie</B>.<BR/><BR/>LPRRudigerVThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08438001168464591165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-78738584124272943162007-12-18T20:39:00.000-05:002007-12-18T20:39:00.000-05:00The Rt Rev'd Dr N T Wright (and I don't know what ...The Rt Rev'd Dr N T Wright (and I don't know what letters should go here), seems to be quite happy to be referred to variously as N T Wright, or simply as Tom Wright. A refreshing breathe of humility if you ask me. But nevertheless, he commands my respect as both an academic theologian and as a bishop, and as a godly man, which is not at all diminished by failing to include all of his titles everytime I mention him. If you want a clear example of academic pomposity, then check out Louie Crew's blog and see how many letters he regularly appends to his name when he signs off on correspondence. I wonder why he feels the need to do that.Brian Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06938619697698149146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-41173194155272355762007-12-18T20:20:00.000-05:002007-12-18T20:20:00.000-05:00Dr. Sugden is presumably able to use one title as ...Dr. Sugden is presumably able to use one title as any more are considered incredibly gauche in both English and American academic circles. Dr. Williams certainly manages. No one, ever, calls him Archbishop Doctor. ::sigh::<BR/><BR/>I have been as you know Fr. Mark, a somewhat vocal critic of Dr. Williams. While I do not plan to recant a word of my prior criticism, I should like to say a word in defense of his comments regarding refusing to meet.<BR/><BR/>I did not read him as suggesting as Brian F. has it, a 'heretical connection' between the <I>Anglican Communion</I> and salvation. Rather, I think he was correctly suggesting as St. Paul said that we may not say we "have no need of you." Even if as is now very rare, someone is excommunicated, consider that the Acts regard us to treat them as a person who should be told the Good News. <BR/><BR/>So, while I think the letter a disaster for other reasons, I am willing to agree with Dr. Williams on one point. Refusing to meet, to discuss to commune as Bps. Iker, Beckwith, Akermann, and Duncan have done in the HoB and Akinola and several others have done at primate's meetings is indeed a denial of the cross. We are told to bear each other's burdens, love one another and not claim we have no need of each other. <BR/><BR/>There is perhaps heresy abroad, but it is not Dr. William's heresy. He is an amazingly inept leader in my opinion, but not always wrong. ;-) I am sure he would be unhappy to know that judgement as he is also a consummate elitist and does not really care what the laity think, or so it appears when I read the letter.<BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-46404588147592148242007-12-18T16:26:00.000-05:002007-12-18T16:26:00.000-05:00Now I wonder if Anonymous #1 will go on Titus One ...Now I wonder if Anonymous #1 will go on Titus One Nine and Stand Firm and object to them calling the Presiding Bishop "Mrs. Schori" as they often do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-91788726016309167602007-12-18T13:53:00.000-05:002007-12-18T13:53:00.000-05:00Canon Sugden evidently has a fondness for being re...Canon Sugden evidently has a fondness for being referred to as "Canon Dr." Sugden. It is my understanding of correct forms of address that while either the one ("canon") or the other ("dr") is appropriate, use of the two together, as Dr. Sugden and some of his acolytes (also poster "anonymous") do, is improper double-dipping. Over-egging the pudding. There are quite a few canons doctor out there, but Sugden is the only one of whom I am aware who has a fondness for this fulsome form of recognition.<BR/><BR/>Years ago, when I addressed a scholar at Yale, distinguished in his field (also a friend of Gertrude Stein) as "Dr", I was gently reproved and informed that use of the term, other than for members of the medical profession, was considered vulgar in the circles in which he moved.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-38438797587667303612007-12-18T12:55:00.000-05:002007-12-18T12:55:00.000-05:00To expand on your rebuttal regarding the "congrega...To expand on your rebuttal regarding the "congregation of faithful men" I was about to suggest that congregation in this phrase is equivalent to "collectivity" when I went to the Concise Oxford and was reminded that it comes from the root Latin word "grex" which means "flock". So, whilst "collectivity" is still an appropriate modern alternative, one might also suggest "a flocking together" as a more picturesque version.<BR/><BR/>So, the visible Church is the collectivity or the flocking together of the faithful. But congregation as a basic unit of the Church in the sense that it is sometimes used interchangeably with "parish"? Not on your life.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, anonymous, it is always perfectly correct, and not at all uncommon in English usage, to refer to a priest as "Mr X".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-38192140923449913902007-12-18T11:44:00.000-05:002007-12-18T11:44:00.000-05:00'why refer to Canon Dr Sugden as "Mr"?'One could e...'why refer to Canon Dr Sugden as "Mr"?'<BR/><BR/>One could equally ask, why The Most Revd Dr Katharine Jefferts Schori is consistently referred to as 'Ms Schori', 'Schori', 'Kate', 'Katharine' and any number of other names that aren't fit to print? Certainly not the result of 'goofs'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-71455761213317493142007-12-18T10:56:00.000-05:002007-12-18T10:56:00.000-05:00Dear Mark - I was pleased to read of your concern ...Dear Mark - I was pleased to read of your concern about the Archbishop's somewhat flippant reference to the cross and resurrection in terms of the bishops attending the Lambeth conference. You are very correct in raising it, as the cross is at the centre of our faith, being the means by which we are made justified, forgiven, cleansed, redeemed, and adopted. However, I would have to take issue with those who view the cross as being more about suffering than death. That is like saying that the guillotine is more about a certain level of disconnection than death. I don't think many people who survived being crucified. Did the Romans really use crucifixion to inflict a few hours of torture and then let their victims down, having served their penance? It was a means of <B>executing</B> someone in the manner most likely to act as a deterant to potential rebels against Roman government and order. <BR/><BR/>++Rowan has drawn an heretical connection between salvation and Lambeth in saying that declining an invitation to attend Lambeth is refusing the cross and resurrection. Are such bishops really forgoing their salvation by declining the invitation to attend Lambeth?Brian Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06938619697698149146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-31286174184330808492007-12-18T10:03:00.000-05:002007-12-18T10:03:00.000-05:00thank you for correcting that, sir....thank you for correcting that, sir....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-64821882569846930112007-12-18T09:46:00.000-05:002007-12-18T09:46:00.000-05:00anonymous...because I goofed...(fixed now).anonymous...because I goofed...(fixed now).Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-30577677671763644412007-12-18T05:29:00.000-05:002007-12-18T05:29:00.000-05:00why refer to Canon Dr Sugden as "Mr"?why refer to Canon Dr Sugden as "Mr"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com