tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post115725302376046877..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Asked and Not Received: Time to Move OnMark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1157491017976573822006-09-05T17:16:00.000-04:002006-09-05T17:16:00.000-04:00And, as often as not, (other) anonymous, your amus...And, as often as not, (other) anonymous, your amusement is ridiculous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1157486385209476322006-09-05T15:59:00.000-04:002006-09-05T15:59:00.000-04:00Ah yes, you don't want to listen and act upon the ...Ah yes, you don't want to listen and act upon the request of Windsor, but they should listen to you.<BR/><BR/>And you want 1-3% of the world to have an equal voice with the Orthodox. Sometimes your ridiculousness is amusing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1157342580401456252006-09-04T00:03:00.000-04:002006-09-04T00:03:00.000-04:00I don't know if they've actually used the "a" word...I don't know if they've actually used the "a" word, but it is beyond dispute that the Global South (heirarchy) has <B>anathematized</B> progressivism (which they equate to that *other* a-word, <I>apostasy</I>).<BR/><BR/>As long as they are setting the agenda---has anyone seen any evidence that they aren't?---then ++Rowan has effectively anathematized progressive voices (<I>qua</I> "progressive"---in the same way I imagine he's only talking to <B>closeted</B> LGBTs now!), also.<BR/><BR/>I hope I'm wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1157337779941525442006-09-03T22:42:00.000-04:002006-09-03T22:42:00.000-04:00wendy...you are quite correct, as usual. I was spe...wendy...you are quite correct, as usual. I was speaking to those for whom 'tradition' means not the Anglican tradition to which you speak, but "orthodox" traditions that brook no comprehensive talk. I was really speaking to your "harder boundries" crowd.<BR/><BR/>And Brojoe: Right... no reference to the specifics of the mid September meeting except that I know of no persons other than the bishops and the Secretary of the ACC who will be there - no voice from the Gay and Lesbian world, no voice from laity or clergy. It is a purple world. <BR/><BR/>As to balance of viewpoints: I am sure there will be the attempt, but none of the bishops there are in the least bit radical, save possibly the PB Elect, and she is not in position yet to take the lead.<BR/><BR/>We shall see.Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1157331364740418092006-09-03T20:56:00.000-04:002006-09-03T20:56:00.000-04:00I didn't see any reference to the mid-September me...I didn't see any reference to the mid-September meeting that this posting by PB Griswold announces on the Anglican Church website. Is this significant in your view? Will there be a balance of viewpoints represented by these bishops?<BR/><BR/>Recent Comment from the Presiding Bishop of TEC<BR/><BR/>On the September meeting<BR/><BR/>I have become aware of a great deal of speculation regarding a meeting that will take place in New York in mid - September. I would like, therefore, to offer a few clarifying words on what has been conceived as an opportunity for those of differing perspectives to come together in a spirit of mutual respect to exchange views. Shortly after the General Convention, Kenneth Kearon, the Secretary General of the Anglican Communion, shared with me some conversations he had had with the Archbishop of Canterbury regarding the whole notion of “alternative primatial oversight” and the difficulty in making a response. Though application for the same had been made to the Archbishop, it was clear in our conversation that the Archbishop, though symbolic head of the Anglican Communion, has no direct authority over the internal life of the Provinces that make up the Communion.<BR/><BR/>Canon Kearon’s point was that such requests needed to be discussed and a resolution be sought within the Episcopal Church itself. We agreed that the most helpful next step might be to have a candid conversation to include the Presiding Bishop-elect and me together with bishops who have expressed a need for “alternative primatial oversight,” and to have Canon Kearon join with us in the conversations. Bishops Duncan and Iker were then asked to be participants. We also agreed that the group might be expanded by other bishops to be chosen by the participants themselves. Bishops Duncan and Iker invited Bishops Salmon, Stanton and Wimberly to take part. I have asked Bishops Henderson, O’Neill and Sisk.<BR/><BR/>This is the genesis of the meeting now set for mid-September. Bishop Peter Lee was asked to serve as convener and he in turn thought it would be helpful were he joined by a bishop known to have views different from his own. Accordingly, Bishop John Lipscomb was also asked to serve as convener. Whether or not this is the first in a series or in fact a one-time conversation will be decided by the group itself.<BR/><BR/>As I write these words I am deeply mindful of the state of the world and of the desperate need for the costly and all-engaging work of reconciliation. In the light of the ongoing struggles across the globe, and certainly at this moment in the Middle East, the preoccupation with our own internal disagreements must not allow us to close our eyes to the needs of the world and its suffering people.<BR/><BR/>The Most Rev. Frank T. Griswold<BR/>Presiding Bishop and Primate<BR/><BR/>The Episcopal Churchbrojoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08659764729553754019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1157294725537599992006-09-03T10:45:00.000-04:002006-09-03T10:45:00.000-04:00Mark, I can agree that the claims of the baptised ...Mark, I can agree that the claims of the baptised trump purity codes. However, it's harder to say that they trump 'tradition'. <BR/><BR/>The portion of the baptised who wish for a theologically comprehensive church don't have claims that 'trump' the Anglican tradition--they are in harmony with and supported by that tradition.<BR/><BR/>The portion of the baptised who wish for harder boundaries between who is in and who is out do not make claims that 'trump' Anglican tradition--they pretend that such a tradition has never existed, and would prefer that those who read Anglican theology and history would just cease to do so, and that new students would not be attracted to study it. Only in that way could their claims to be 'true' or 'continuing' Anglicans go unchallenged.Wendy Dacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05930566197347579717noreply@blogger.com