tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post116244272924445176..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: And On the Third Day, Put on Your Glad Rags.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1162852007586687772006-11-06T17:26:00.000-05:002006-11-06T17:26:00.000-05:00(Dave)Rev. Lois and the new PB both make a good po...(Dave)<BR/>Rev. Lois and the new PB both make a good point about our finite nature being incapable of fully understanding God's infinite nature but I have trouble with the conclusion they reach. On the one hand, we have God's revelation, via His Son, who claimed to be THE way, and who said NO ONE comes to the Father except through Him. Accepting that God is bigger than our understanding, how can we operate on the assumption that because there may be more, we don't have to live our lives and conduct our ministries as if Jesus' words were the only and the definitive words on the subject? Better we get to heaven and are surprised by how much we didn't understand than to get there and find out God meant Jesus was really the only way - for everyone. How sad it would be to learn that we had abandoned others when we had it within our ability to have been witnesses of the revealed truth. How do we choose, instead, to hope that God's nature was not fully revealed in the Son, and that He is really more like what WE want Him to be than the Scriptures teach us. Who is willing to be that arrogant about matters with eternal consequences?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1162578153656873032006-11-03T13:22:00.000-05:002006-11-03T13:22:00.000-05:00ENS left out the viewing party right in the heart ...ENS left out the viewing party right in the heart of ++KJS Territory: St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Sparks, NV. We'll be having breakfast together starting at 8am and cheering our former bishop on!<BR/><BR/>KarenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1162577549947783612006-11-03T13:12:00.000-05:002006-11-03T13:12:00.000-05:00Anonymous - OMG...what if the Holy Bible were writ...Anonymous - OMG...what if the Holy Bible were written by a mere falliable human being, who heard God's word but through a glass darkly?<BR/><BR/>I'd guess I'd have to just jump off the edge of the world and hand over my Christian membership card.<BR/><BR/>Not.<BR/><BR/>If God didn't mean for us to use our reason, what did he give it to us for? I believe he gave it to us so that we coud keep moving closer to him - to give us a tool to try to discern the truth of the words of the bible DESPITE the fact that they were written by a falliable human being with hosts of human failings (including cultural prejudice and limited understanding of the ways of the natural world).<BR/><BR/>So...it's not that we are now above God, but, we might have evolved a bit further along then our brothers who originally wrote down the words to begin with, and, through prayer, discernment and worship, we can perhaps move along a little closer to God's true purpose - whatever that may be.<BR/><BR/>Rev Lois - Amen and Amen to your words.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1162571159973268232006-11-03T11:25:00.000-05:002006-11-03T11:25:00.000-05:00Here's a list of parishes and groups who are gathe...<A HREF="http://www.episcopalchurch.org/3577_79201_ENG_HTM.htm" REL="nofollow">Here's a list of parishes and groups</A> who are gathering to watch the webcast together. Cucumber sandwiches afterwards, of course.blshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07627725321531151309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1162568496615583042006-11-03T10:41:00.000-05:002006-11-03T10:41:00.000-05:00On our way, rejoicing!!!On our way, rejoicing!!!Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287169546184325690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1162501390735742242006-11-02T16:03:00.000-05:002006-11-02T16:03:00.000-05:00Anonymous,Go breathe into a paper bag for a while ...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>Go breathe into a paper bag for a while and calm down, you're going to bust a vessel in your head.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1162498994261807352006-11-02T15:23:00.000-05:002006-11-02T15:23:00.000-05:00Rev. Lois,The Holy Scriptures "limit" God? Instea...Rev. Lois,<BR/><BR/>The Holy Scriptures "limit" God? Instead of God's revelation to us, teaching us the way, they are limiting? In other words, the Bible "limits" us. Never mind that we call it "Holy" Scriptures for a reason, and that the Scriptures teach us about God... our judgement is apparently superior to what we call the word of God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1162487822262966152006-11-02T12:17:00.000-05:002006-11-02T12:17:00.000-05:00Perhaps (Presiding) Bishop Katharine and Priest Ma...Perhaps (Presiding) Bishop Katharine and Priest Mark understand "No one comes to the Father except by me", in the way I do, as not limiting the ways Jesus might choose to bring others to the Father - sheep from other folds, which folds the gospel does not limit by defining them.<BR/><BR/>I believe the ways of God in Christ Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit are too vast to be contained by our understanding. They may indeed be wholly contained in the Hebrew and Christian scriptures, but if they are, we are way too finite for any one of us, or even any one group of us or ALL the groups of us to catch it all. <BR/><BR/>So I am quite comfortable trusting that Jesus may have ways with humankind that are beyond my understanding on this side of life.<BR/><BR/>Dear people, that in no way makes me a Unitarian, nor does it in any way diminish the witness of the martyrs or those faithful departed who have gone before, although by the above remarks, I find it very possible that Jesus is working through Unitarianism also. Who am I to limit the ways of Almighty God, even - especially ? - by quoting the Holy Scriptures inspired by the Holy Spirit?<BR/><BR/>Priest Lois KeenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1162484676792304962006-11-02T11:24:00.000-05:002006-11-02T11:24:00.000-05:00++Griswold actually does have an acting past (of a...++Griswold actually does have an acting past (of a sort). He apparently received notice of his election as Bishop of Chicago while rehearsing for the parish production of You're A Good Man, Charlie Brown. He played Snoopy.Caeliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15490717245066578132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1162482727785474182006-11-02T10:52:00.000-05:002006-11-02T10:52:00.000-05:00Mark,Nice job ignoring that both you and she appar...Mark,<BR/><BR/>Nice job ignoring that both you and she apparently don't believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Light, and that no one comes to the Father except through Him.<BR/><BR/>THAT was really the point of the Unitarian comment. That the head of a supposedly Christian denomination denies the Christian belief in the route to salvation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1162475104473228152006-11-02T08:45:00.000-05:002006-11-02T08:45:00.000-05:00The link for the live webcast isn't available yet....The link for the live webcast isn't available yet.<BR/><BR/>You might want to read the <A HREF="http://www.episcopalchurch.org/3577_79074_ENG_HTM.htm" REL="nofollow">Episcopal News Service Caution</A> about the live webcast.<BR/><BR/>An alternative for us in the Diocese of Massachusetts is the live satellite broadcast at the Cathedral Church of St. Paul. Perhaps your diocese is also offering such a live broadcast. Satellite broadcasts are much more reliable and stable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1162470832671907882006-11-02T07:33:00.000-05:002006-11-02T07:33:00.000-05:00Might you post a link to the site hosting the webc...Might you post a link to the site hosting the webcast of the insitution??<BR/><BR/>Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com