tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post116321041254904024..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Snotty Remarks to the Contrary: We are indeed The Episcopal Church.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1163793699781377612006-11-17T15:01:00.000-05:002006-11-17T15:01:00.000-05:00Anonymous:Very very well said, could not have said...Anonymous:<BR/>Very very well said, could not have said it better myself. The Faithful are being accused of starting something they did not start. Keep in mind, that a recent study has shown, that in fact there is a split in the Baby Boomers. Those born between 1946 and 1954, as a voting block, be it nationally or at GC tend to vote very liberal. Those born between 1954 and 1959 tend to vote conservatively. Most of our Current Bishops are in the first category, as are most polititians and University Professors, Deans, etc. I am an exception, which there always are, as are the 8 Bishops of the APO diocese. One thing that I have noticed which may or may not be significant, but I think it is very significant, is,take a look at the number of liberal "born again", (read: Charismatic)Clergy and Bishop, vesus the number of "born again consevative Clergy and Bishops.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1163689709138772582006-11-16T10:08:00.000-05:002006-11-16T10:08:00.000-05:00Mr. Coelho--may I offer some historical correction...Mr. Coelho--may I offer some historical correction? I don't think anyone is claiming that they didn't notice until 2006 which way the wind was blowing. After all, membership in ECUSA started its drastic decline after the start of WO and the 1979 prayer book. Consservatives tried to hold the line for many years, but not being inherently politically minded, it took them a long time to figure out how to do it effectively. The American Anglican Council, which is more or less the parent of the Network, was started in 1995 by a group of priests who had already been fighting the good fight for many years. Moreover, the AAC was formed with the specific intent of remaining within the Episcopal Church, seeking reform rather than division. In 2003, when it became clear that GenCon was going to ignore the warnings of the ABC and the Primates, +++Williams himself asked that ECUSA bishops loyal to Canterbury form a Network within ECUSA. It is only GenCon's repeated defiance of the Communion that has made it necessary for Episcopalians to choose sides. //Certainly, you can argue that full inclusion of gays and lesbians was important enough to justify the break with the Communion, but then you have to be honest and say, OK, we're the ones who have set out to do something new, we're the ones who are causing the schism, and therefore we will part in charity with those who can't follow us. To suggest that those who are simply remaining faithful to what the church has taught for 2000 years are the ones stirring up trouble and forcing change, is intellectually dishonest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1163414270614859132006-11-13T05:37:00.000-05:002006-11-13T05:37:00.000-05:00I thought it was the Episcopal Church, gathered in...I thought it was the Episcopal Church, gathered in General Convention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1163368949775926552006-11-12T17:02:00.000-05:002006-11-12T17:02:00.000-05:00I am not sure that I was clear when I said that th...I am not sure that I was clear when I said that the fire that was started after the election of +Gene... through the passionate REACTION of many people to homosexuality was taken advantage of and used for political gain. One might ask cynically who supported that event.Mark Diebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17197749527182706761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1163296166260042732006-11-11T20:49:00.000-05:002006-11-11T20:49:00.000-05:00the passion and heat generated in that furnace lit...<I>the passion and heat generated in that furnace lit fires around the Anglican world. One burned here in Albany... and still burns</I><BR/><BR/>Nothing burns like hatred.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1163293094724668342006-11-11T19:58:00.000-05:002006-11-11T19:58:00.000-05:00Luiz said, "I guess there was a moment in the mid-...Luiz said, "I guess there was a moment in the mid-eighties when some of them said "we will stay and try to get as much people as we can, and then, we'll leave"..."<BR/><BR/>And the moment arrived with the consecration... really the election... of +Gene Robinson... the passion and heat generated in that furnace lit fires around the Anglican world. One burned here in Albany... and still burns.Mark Diebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17197749527182706761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1163265004236480202006-11-11T12:10:00.000-05:002006-11-11T12:10:00.000-05:00This is something that has always puzzled me.I mea...This is something that has always puzzled me.<BR/><BR/>I mean: I hear stories coming from TEC since 20 years ago. There were women ordained (no worries to me), there were homosexuals being ordained (again, no worries)... And many other provinces did follow those steps.<BR/><BR/>And, now, in 2006, a bunch of people come to say that they simply "didn't notice it", as if they weren't even aware of the liberal winds that have been flowing for, at least, 40 years?<BR/><BR/>I guess there was a moment in the mid-eighties when some of them said "we will stay and try to get as much people as we can, and then, we'll leave"...Luiz Coelhohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14482291073983264328noreply@blogger.com