tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post13432857499869838..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Small oddity in a Large one.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-86120560053279742312007-09-09T22:04:00.000-04:002007-09-09T22:04:00.000-04:00if you go through Elizabeth Kaeton's blog tellings...if you go through Elizabeth Kaeton's blog tellingsecrets.blogspot.com, you'll find stories of LGBT people who come as refugees to the US, and who seek asylum. some get it, and some do not - with asylum, there's enough unclarity in the law to offer a generous shelter to judges to show their prejudices.Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17851789276439393822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-65301335631121919362007-09-08T10:50:00.000-04:002007-09-08T10:50:00.000-04:00You weren't the first. A commenter at Stand Firm i...You weren't the first. A commenter at Stand Firm in Faith noticed it as soon as the photos appeared. They appreciated the irony.John B. Chiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18208312356775869565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-61275010044263450032007-09-06T12:14:00.000-04:002007-09-06T12:14:00.000-04:00The victim language of the "conservatives" approac...The victim language of the "conservatives" approaches the bizarre.<BR/><BR/>At Titus 1:9, Kendall Harmonn (sp), to his credit, condemned the language of the Nigerian bishop who claimed that homosexuals are unfit to live. Most of the posters (again, to their credit) concurred.<BR/><BR/>Then, towards the end of the thread, "Alice" claims that a North American who objects to homosexuality is at greater risk of being shot than a gay person in Nigeria.<BR/><BR/>That isn't just victim posturing. That is delusional paranoia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-51807351047759970552007-09-05T13:53:00.000-04:002007-09-05T13:53:00.000-04:00A big AMEN!A big AMEN!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-79129801663440125672007-09-05T13:45:00.000-04:002007-09-05T13:45:00.000-04:00Yes, Scott, the portrayal by conservatives as self...Yes, Scott, the portrayal by conservatives as self-conscious victims is a bit overpowering. <BR/><BR/>Singling out a particular group as the object of fear and hate almost always raises the specter of the next group to be targeted. This naturally makes people less open, less forthcoming even in church, and less ready to contribute all their gifts to the life of the parish. When we tell people that "they" are worth less than "us", then we admit the possibility that all of us can be ranked in God's sight. <BR/><BR/>This is precisely the message that the conservatives are sending, by consecrating bishops and inducing parishes to leave the Episcopal church: we hate and fear you so much that we will not be in the same room with you.<BR/><BR/>I would like to point out some additional victims that I see. The homeless men & women at the subway stop, the poor and hungry downtown, and everyone that we could serve with the energy we're wasting defending the church against bigotry and hypocrisy.Rick Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06684067498879293186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-2059632975036224552007-09-05T11:30:00.000-04:002007-09-05T11:30:00.000-04:00Me! I'm tired of the persecution, martyrdom, victi...Me! I'm tired of the persecution, martyrdom, victim speak used by Minns, Duncan, etc. to characterize their "suffering". <BR/><BR/>Want suffering? Try the folks in Virginia who didn't vote to leave the Episcopal Church and are now re-building their church-lives because they want to be Episcopalians but their church families have been hijacked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-85702375882416959062007-09-05T00:14:00.000-04:002007-09-05T00:14:00.000-04:00Obadiah, you have a peck of surprises in your bag ...Obadiah, you have a peck of surprises in your bag of Anglican comments. I'm with you all the way!trueanglicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15024301226058203209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-16391533328310435032007-09-04T20:48:00.000-04:002007-09-04T20:48:00.000-04:00Good point.I have always thought that the thing th...Good point.I have always thought that the thing the Anglican factions should strive to DEFEAT each other is in service to the poor. (we can simply talk or disagree about the other stuff)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-74929304352036493282007-09-04T19:11:00.000-04:002007-09-04T19:11:00.000-04:00Mark,I noticed that. It actually seemed par for th...Mark,<BR/><BR/>I noticed that. It actually seemed par for the course there -- reuse whatever you can. Though I do like the refugee irony observation.<BR/><BR/>That said, I just put a bit of a rant over on the InclusiveChurch blog. I'm tired of hearing the conservatives speak as if they are *actual* refugees, and victims in some sense. They might be inconvenienced by all the goings-on, but they are not refugees or victims in any conventional sense. The only actual victims in this are GLBT people, who risk life and limb just by being who they are.<BR/><BR/>Is anyone else tired of that victim-speak?<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/> ScottScott Gunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04775271116737644034noreply@blogger.com