tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post1435529597763172919..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Who are the nine?Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-46997741711483098922008-09-23T07:55:00.000-04:002008-09-23T07:55:00.000-04:00I believe Allen is correct. Louie Crew reports th...I believe Allen is correct. <A HREF="http://rci.rutgers.edu/~lcrew/bpsprof2008.html#Background" REL="nofollow">Louie Crew</A> reports that as of August 2008 there are 299 bishops, 54% of whom are retired. To be fair, it is possible that some of the retired are unable to travel to meetings, and some may think it inappropriate to continue to involve themselves in HOB affairs (I know of one, a man of integrity). All of them, however, are entitled to vote -- and some of them did in the recent meeting.<BR/><BR/>BTW, in a real court of law, ambiguity works in favor of the defense, not the prosecution.RBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16752701681681717163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-11898413515227211012008-09-20T13:18:00.000-04:002008-09-20T13:18:00.000-04:00Assertions are not facts, Allen. Nor are squirts ...Assertions are not facts, Allen. Nor are squirts of squid ink. If you'd sit still for ten minutes or so, and make the effort to explain yourself clearly, you might have an argument. If you do have one, you have yet to make it.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-82343689122313974962008-09-20T00:26:00.000-04:002008-09-20T00:26:00.000-04:00Lapinbizarre,No, I don't make up the numbers. It's...Lapinbizarre,<BR/><BR/>No, I don't make up the numbers. It's math. The PB's creative numbering of a quorom is that a group of straggler bishops can decide the fate of anybody else not in the room. She counts a majority in attendance as sufficient when the canons read that a majority of the bishops who are eligible are required to depose.<BR/> <BR/>Do you really want as few as 50 bishops given clearance to judge? What is the acceptable low number to you? Apparently whoever is there is all that matters.<BR/><BR/>One-half of the bishops were missing at the New Orleans meeting when the last "handlings" occurred. I suspect that some of those were put on "double secret probation" (Dean Wormer).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-33699384623232420222008-09-19T18:18:00.000-04:002008-09-19T18:18:00.000-04:00FWIW, I know that my bishop, +Robert Gepert of Wes...FWIW, I know that my bishop, +Robert Gepert of Western Michigan, is on sabbatical (he's not listed in the deposition electoral roll, and I think that's why)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-65934941678533116002008-09-19T12:35:00.000-04:002008-09-19T12:35:00.000-04:00WOW, was that really Allen who wrote that?!?!Someo...WOW, was that really Allen who wrote that?!?!<BR/><BR/>Someone please take note. I believe that I agree with him.Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-71354196170735852862008-09-19T11:49:00.000-04:002008-09-19T11:49:00.000-04:00"...the fact that 1/2 of our bishops can skip out ..."...the fact that 1/2 of our bishops can skip out of these meetings without consequence back home is unacceptable." "Fact"? "1/2"? Do you just invent this stuff up as you go along, Allen? Self importance extends past the confines of the machinery within which HOB operates.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-59862442318850975752008-09-18T16:29:00.000-04:002008-09-18T16:29:00.000-04:00The HOB operates in machinery that is overly self-...The HOB operates in machinery that is overly self-important.<BR/><BR/>Some meetings should be closed due to their sensitive nature. But just the fact that 1/2 of our bishops can skip out of these meetings without consequence back home is unacceptable. The Standing Committees need to insist that their bishops (read executives) show up and do the work. We should know who is there and if they are not then why not. Anybody else with a job doesn't get near the free passes on self-determination and unaccountable secrecy that clergy do. Unnecessarily so. If it's not a confession, if it's not a sensitive personnel matter, then it should see the light of day...and light of scutiny. Bishops were elected, not incarnated.<BR/><BR/>Little wonder that too many bishops don't want an Anglican Covenant which will hold them to account for how they use the franchise. They don't even want people to follow them to meetings so why would more surprise us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-6132774556110451032008-09-18T10:59:00.000-04:002008-09-18T10:59:00.000-04:00Closing out the press is a new "direction" picked ...Closing out the press is a new "direction" picked up at Lambeth (I think everything ought be live streamed)...it was imagined to protect innocent Bishop participants from hostile African Provinces I was told...what is this secrecy about? Control? It seems to me the more involved and informed, via blogs etc., the laity/membership and frontline clergy are in the critical "actions" needed to be taken at TEC/Anglican Communion the MORE closed out we are becoming...like children unable to deal with the "facts" of religious life or simply protecting "wrong" or "cowardly" inaction?Leonardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16667415590825321701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-33814986547139934782008-09-18T08:55:00.000-04:002008-09-18T08:55:00.000-04:00What's even more troubling, at least to me, is tha...What's even more troubling, at least to me, is that suddenly "in lieu of reporters" is passing for journalism.<BR/><BR/>I am sensitive to the rampant, almost viral "blog-speculation" and how that has shaped much of the news. I am also sensitive to the work the HOB has on its plate today, but this strikes me as being rather over-the-top - not to mention decidedly un-American. <BR/><BR/>Seems to me that this only increases "blog speculation" anyway.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.com