tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post1459693170222862277..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Dan Martins on 4IU, Covenant, and such.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-77647970099348987792007-02-19T16:13:00.000-05:002007-02-19T16:13:00.000-05:00Dan Martins asks in his analysis if the Covenant w...Dan Martins asks in his analysis if the Covenant would have prevented the precipitating events . . . <BR/><BR/>As much, or more, to the point, would the Covenant have prevented the shambles that the Primates Meeting(s) has become: "In seeking to be faithful to God . . . seek in all things to uphold the solemn obligation to sustain Eucharistic communion . . . "<BR/><BR/>It seems (some of) the Primates have shot themselves in the foot, for if we cannot/will not meet at the Table . . . there is where our unity/communion begins, and as long as there are some (primates) who will not meet there, the PM is no Instrument of Unity . . . <BR/><BR/>Covenant or no, the core issue remains, how (can) we live with the tensions which necessarily arise from ANY prophetic ministry . . . even during the time of testing (which is really what all the Covenant's consultation/referral is about)!<BR/><BR/>In their dis-unity the Primate's have not shown us the way forward . . . <BR/><BR/>Paul Bunnell<BR/>New Westminster, CanadaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-75397944154277837392007-02-19T15:36:00.000-05:002007-02-19T15:36:00.000-05:00Forgotten or submerged in all this is the Anglican...Forgotten or submerged in all this is the Anglican approach to authority. Some of us have gone on the assumption that authority really means the right to be heard out, or to have one's considered opinions given serious consideration. It is not the magisterium of some other churches where the right to teach is the right to compel obedience.<BR/><BR/>I'm Ron Miller, btwRon Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13153218751184475826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-32846236194247944812007-02-19T15:31:00.000-05:002007-02-19T15:31:00.000-05:00Dear Mark,I've expressed similar concerns on my bl...Dear Mark,<BR/><BR/>I've expressed similar concerns on my blog at www.revkirkley.blogspot.com<BR/><BR/>JohnFr. Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06647311951078750640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-56086158622849001482007-02-19T15:13:00.000-05:002007-02-19T15:13:00.000-05:00We also need a discussion of the ways in which lan...We also need a discussion of the ways in which language about community, tradition, and communion gets abused. There was a reason for the Enlightment. The fact that the Enlightment project was unfinished is no reason to retreat into pre-modern forms of Christianity or to romanticize the most repressive elements thereof. The Western individual needs to be rescued from individualism but a return to oppressive forms of community would be sinful. True communion is modelled on the Holy Trinity where none is afore and none is behind.<BR/><BR/>This has been missing from most discussions of the covenant, including the WR and the current proposed covenant. The good news is that the reception process envisioned is lengthy and will go well past Lambeth.Bill Carrollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14743851784631753415noreply@blogger.com