tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post1563370938393412979..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Del Glover on Finances and Leadership of the Episcopal ChurchMark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-81533125352290138422010-11-01T10:34:07.774-04:002010-11-01T10:34:07.774-04:00Thank you, Daaved and my point is: use the 10 Mil ...Thank you, Daaved and my point is: use the 10 Mil to pay down the debt and hand the archives project over to someone who wants it, or use a storage facility. It's not like TEC is humming along financially. It is borrowing 60 Mil to fund its activities until it gets 'nimble.' AJMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-67588682231867805192010-10-31T23:14:42.010-04:002010-10-31T23:14:42.010-04:00I am confused about what is so hard to understand ...I am confused about what is so hard to understand about the parking lot. It was explained that the Seminary of the Southwest, the Episcopal seminary in San Antonio, TX, where the Episcopal Church archives have been kept has asked TEC to find somewhere else for the archive. One potential location is a new archival facility built on the parking lot that TEC purchased. The parking lot was purchased with that future building in mind and instead of being a weed overgrown lot, it is actually a profit making enterprise paying for itself, as folks in TEC make the decisions about what ultimately to do with the archive.<br /><br />Obviously the seminary that has the collection is not so convinced it is a great thing to have.Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-11093749298108364042010-10-31T21:03:28.180-04:002010-10-31T21:03:28.180-04:00Dear Rabbit--now you've stopped stalking and a...Dear Rabbit--now you've stopped stalking and are projecting. I don't feel persecuted in the least. I just find your interest in my age and other irrelevancies a sign that you don't want to speak about the topic. Go wherever you want to go, but I'd prefer a discussion of the topic. Grace and peace--AJM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-29206655176059772762010-10-31T19:26:10.341-04:002010-10-31T19:26:10.341-04:00Such a need to feel persecuted, AJM. Remind my agi...Such a need to feel persecuted, AJM. Remind my aging mind, which of us first accused the other of stalking? Ad hominem? Not like I called you a Sanctimonious Pratt, is it?Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-51279445764894685432010-10-31T19:19:46.430-04:002010-10-31T19:19:46.430-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-72195886125608623732010-10-31T18:44:09.839-04:002010-10-31T18:44:09.839-04:00Well, goodbye topic, hello Rabbit ad hominem. AJMWell, goodbye topic, hello Rabbit ad hominem. AJMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-67007509312951740422010-10-31T13:57:03.916-04:002010-10-31T13:57:03.916-04:00Usual con-evo crap - anyone who stands up to you i...Usual con-evo crap - anyone who stands up to you is a "stalker".<br />You, AJM, are the stalker here, endlessly harassing Fr Harris with your smug, mindless, <i>"Four legs good,two legs bad"</i> repetitions.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-25503907631501566742010-10-31T13:02:39.564-04:002010-10-31T13:02:39.564-04:00Old enough to know when one is being led down a bu...Old enough to know when one is being led down a bunny trail. Stay on topic, Rabbit. You're stalking again. Why is 10 Mil being spent for a parking lot? You and others tend to read serious questions and concerns as 'opposition' (see previous entry). Many of us see TEC being transformed into a tiny niche church, the destruction of a catholic expression of Christian faith world wide. We are not opposed to TEC -- we are opposed to TEC ceasing to be what it was, through things like Title IV and 10Mil parking lots and dubious claims of the Holy Spirit's work. AJMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-30970783535117367972010-10-30T20:00:04.488-04:002010-10-30T20:00:04.488-04:00In short, your church doesn't stick gold stars...In short, your church doesn't stick gold stars on your card for nit-picking God's Elect <i>ad nauseam</i>, AJM. Question - and one asked out of genuine curiosity - how old are you? I think I have a pretty good idea - love to know if I'm right.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-45911318979567970542010-10-30T17:55:38.912-04:002010-10-30T17:55:38.912-04:00Rabbit--please take something for your indigestion...Rabbit--please take something for your indigestion. The question was a straightforward one, and maybe one Mr Glover will in time explain. I hope so. It isn't like TEC is in a position to be prodigal with its monies, (unless the archives are going to tell the story of how TEC came apart and dwindled to 400K ASA in five years). Here'd be a fine time to hand the archives over to a seminary, sell the parking lot, and pay down some of the loan. But, hey, I thought of that in the time it took to type this out, and no doubt bigger financial minds than mine could fine another 20 Mil somewhere as well. AJMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-35271960708856325732010-10-30T17:23:35.983-04:002010-10-30T17:23:35.983-04:00Of course, AJM, there is the way that the Lord has...Of course, AJM, there is the way that the Lord has financially blessed and rewarded the endeavors of the archdiocese of Sydney, which cast its bread on the waters to quite some effect. Perhaps, while you're on a roll, you'd enlighten us on that topic?Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-26966911563644870222010-10-30T16:54:04.262-04:002010-10-30T16:54:04.262-04:00BTW, anyone know why you spend 10 Million on a par...BTW, anyone know why you spend 10 Million on a parking lot? Archives can be housed in a lot of places, including ones that could use the income (US seminaries crashing down. This sounds like a plan with a story behind it. 10 Million and not even a building to go with it. AJMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-43066551898826788202010-10-30T13:45:56.570-04:002010-10-30T13:45:56.570-04:00I, too, am grateful for Mr. Glover's report on...I, too, am grateful for Mr. Glover's report on the budget of the Episcopal Church.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-34769025158743344812010-10-29T13:38:44.172-04:002010-10-29T13:38:44.172-04:00I very much appreciate Mr. Glover's informed o...I very much appreciate Mr. Glover's informed opinion on the need to "right-size" our church structures and reduce the cost of them. I wish we could accept that as a reality that awaits us and plan for it - prayerfully and intelligently - rather than burying our heads in the sand and pretending that it's not going to happen.Neil Willardhttp://laughingwater.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-11943753077320917412010-10-29T12:40:38.142-04:002010-10-29T12:40:38.142-04:00Thank you Mr Glover. At last, a sober, factual, ho...Thank you Mr Glover. At last, a sober, factual, honest report. It sounds like the plan long term is to accept decline in membership and income, and so to combine dioceses and do other budget cutting measures. It’s hard to tell whether getting rid of 815 is a possibility, as it is not discussed. Sobering to see the Chairman accept the fact of over 30% loss in membership and major income depletion from dioceses, and accept as well that things cannot go on the same way. AJMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com