tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post1630387951842397326..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: The Draft Resolution on the Windsor Continuation Group: A Mess in the making.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-6873305282944601542009-05-08T03:14:00.000-04:002009-05-08T03:14:00.000-04:00Obadiah, I'm glad I amused at least one person wit...Obadiah, I'm glad I amused at least one person with my reference to the Lollards. It's not a problem to be one, unless you try to make <EM>me</EM> one. I'm sure you have given up on that by now.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09748809418423591030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-5869441960406652752009-05-07T22:44:00.000-04:002009-05-07T22:44:00.000-04:00Half-baked, bumbling, blah blah blah.
We don't nee...Half-baked, bumbling, blah blah blah.<br />We don't need this! (and that is a multi-level statement).SCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08162762233972733978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-40996838766617058552009-05-07T18:20:00.000-04:002009-05-07T18:20:00.000-04:00There's plenty of us "neo Lollards" in the Anglica...There's plenty of us "neo Lollards" in the Anglican Church of Australia. Thanks for the compliment<br />Obadiah Slope - now thats a Lollardish name!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-52927326436703330422009-05-07T12:59:00.000-04:002009-05-07T12:59:00.000-04:00...a total failure of leadership - beginning back ...<EM>...a total failure of leadership - beginning back in the early 20C with the leadership's failure to see what was happening in the seminaries, and then the failure to ensure ordinands were biblically and theologically literate with sound exegetical skills.</EM>Brian F., so this all comes down to higher versus lower criticism? Is that why you studied at non-denominational, evangelical Trinity-Perth rather than an Anglican seminary? I don't think Anglicans need to be saved by neo-Lollards.<br /><br />I respect that your views are different from mine - it's part of being an Anglican. You don't give the impression of returning that courtesy, even though you are here with a liberal (and often Anglo-Catholic) crowd. Mark welcomes your comments here, so I won't say any more. Except, perhaps, do you have any new ones? I'm hearing a broken record and I don't even own a turntable these days.<br /><br />(Sorry, Mark - that was so rude and <EM>un-Anglican.</EM> I shall return to Frozen Chosen mode momentarily.)Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09748809418423591030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-45647463625527233022009-05-07T11:00:00.000-04:002009-05-07T11:00:00.000-04:00Brian F, I'm not sure what you're alluding to abou...Brian F, I'm not sure what you're alluding to about seminaries in the "early 20th C." It seems to me that biblical and theological <I>literacy</I> or exegesis haven't been the issue. Lightening rod Spong is biblically and theologically <I>literate</I>, and can provide good, academic exegesis; but many disagree with his hermeneutic (both conservatives and progressives).<br /><br />I would agree that the Provincial Visitors scheme is dead. That's because the internal opportunities offered by the Episcopal Church, which have been found reasonable by the Windsor Report and the Joint Standing Committee, and now at ACC (and which differ from the Tanzania <I>dictat</I> very little except in lacking the <I>imprimatur</I> of certain conservative primates), have been rejected by those the procedures were proposed to serve - largely without even trying.<br /><br />You know, in the American environment there's really nothing we can do to prevent ACNA from forming. They have formed, and they will carry out their mission as best they can - except that one part of their mission is to do their best to disrupt the relations of the Episcopal Church both with parishioners at home and with other Anglicans abroad, so as to displace the Episcopal Church in the lives and affections of both. <I>That</I> part of their mission is all we resist; but in that we feel little choice.Marshall Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-52322154794424865332009-05-07T00:30:00.000-04:002009-05-07T00:30:00.000-04:00Elizabeth - I agree - the mess the communion is in...Elizabeth - I agree - the mess the communion is in is due to a total failure of leadership - beginning back in the early 20C with the leadership's failure to see what was happening in the seminaries, and then the failure to ensure ordinands were biblically and theologically literate with sound exegetical skills. We are now reaping the fruit of their failure.<br /><br />And Leonardo - I don't think ++Cantuar's argument is with ECUSA's HoB who are really his fellow travellors, apart from a radical few, and that is the problem.<br /><br />The Episcopal Visitors scheme is just as dead as the Panel of Reference - the only solution is to let the conservatives go with grace, and allow them to form a new province in North America, be generous towards them in terms of removing any objections to them having full recognition from ++Cantuar, and allow them to keep the property they alone have built up. I really don't understand why ECUSA is so insistent in standing in the way of this when it is ECUSA which has caused so much of the problem in the first place.Brian Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06938619697698149146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-5108796384619195642009-05-07T00:14:00.000-04:002009-05-07T00:14:00.000-04:00Flush it.Flush it.Canyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14737285360280766111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-54828455089224524302009-05-06T22:42:00.000-04:002009-05-06T22:42:00.000-04:00Sorry, one last thing -- it is past time for an Ep...Sorry, one last thing -- it is past time for an Episcopalian Bill of Rights!Frank Remkiewicz aka “Tree”https://www.blogger.com/profile/00501821790434895826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-50214962858853459822009-05-06T22:32:00.000-04:002009-05-06T22:32:00.000-04:00Elizabeth Kaeton said "They well may have enough v...Elizabeth Kaeton said "They well may have enough votes to pass this half-baked mess."<br /><br />To paraphrase the script in The Graduate: Oh no, this is a fully baked mess."<br /><br />My magic word is hargerp as in who hargerped this mess?Frank Remkiewicz aka “Tree”https://www.blogger.com/profile/00501821790434895826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-50147815658208865832009-05-06T21:34:00.000-04:002009-05-06T21:34:00.000-04:00The real pity is that I believe the incompetence (...The real pity is that I believe the incompetence (or duplicity or both) has reached this level because they believe they have the votes on the ACC to approve the Ridley Document. They well may have enough votes to pass this half-baked mess. <br /><br />When this chapter of our history is written, it will be entitled, "A Failure of Leadership."Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-91392738938541367332009-05-06T21:06:00.000-04:002009-05-06T21:06:00.000-04:00The scary thing is they will probably pass somethi...The scary thing is they will probably pass something almost this stupid.<br /><br />FWIW<br />jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-58778633272603733902009-05-06T19:04:00.000-04:002009-05-06T19:04:00.000-04:00I often wonder if the Archbishop of Canterbury is ...I often wonder if the Archbishop of Canterbury is intentionally trying to destroy the Anglican Communion to win some kind of senseless argument (he imagines he has with TEC HOB´s)...his well documented/advertised great wisdom goes far, far, beyond a basic common sense approach to UNITY at The Body of Christ...what in the World does this man BELIEVE IN? I think we need to know! Just answering short/direct and sometimes confrontational questions ought straighten things out...hopefully, he knows how to use ONLY the words YES and NO.Leonardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16667415590825321701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-67552418780502583222009-05-06T19:03:00.000-04:002009-05-06T19:03:00.000-04:00Posting at T19 [#21] this afternoon, on a thread r...Posting at <A HREF="http://www.kendallharmon.net/t19/index.php/t19/article/22399/#more" REL="nofollow">T19</A> [#21] this afternoon, on a thread relating to Sugden & Ashley's unenthusiastic report on day 4 of ACC (WCG's "belief that .... Communion Partners Fellowship and the Episcopal Visitors scheme instituted by the Presiding Bishop in the United States should be sufficient to provide for the care of those alienated within the Episcopal Church" apparently strikes them as inadequate) Christopher Seitz writes "Greater clarity is probably needed on whether ACNA is going to affirm and sign the covenant."<br /><br />?Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-68387143586750087182009-05-06T18:41:00.000-04:002009-05-06T18:41:00.000-04:00IASCUFO: Seems to me there is a FIASCO in this.IASCUFO: Seems to me there is a FIASCO in this.James Mackay evensong2@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-65433951731847511472009-05-06T18:07:00.000-04:002009-05-06T18:07:00.000-04:00"By then, if the steamroller effort succeeds to ge..."By then, if the steamroller effort succeeds to get the Anglican Covenant in place quickly before the Anglican Communion fizzles, the report will only serve to confirm what is already in place. "<br /><br />And here you name what this is all about: to steamroll this mess of a covenant, WCG and all the rest through.Caminantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16610142955176992982noreply@blogger.com