tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post1651387649727847182..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Invitations Out . The ABC blew it.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-44868477354603276302007-05-23T12:33:00.000-04:002007-05-23T12:33:00.000-04:00It will be more telling if in the next round invit...It will be more telling if in the next round invitations are sent out to regular missionary bishops to come as guests, but CANA and AMiA bishops are not invited.C.B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17691002620980933111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-21770551013953961292007-05-23T08:59:00.000-04:002007-05-23T08:59:00.000-04:00Frank - "inquisition" is over the top and does a s...Frank - "inquisition" is over the top and does a severe injustice to the saints who were victims of the Italian and Spanish inquisitions - noone's life is being threatened here even though there is a great deal of heresy<BR/><BR/>Phil - the authority of Lambeth Res 1:10 does not come from the Lambeth conference but rests on Biblical truth - a higher authority than any church council, conference or synod.<BR/><BR/>Rick - it is a bit of a stretch to put Gene, ECUSA and Christ in the same phrase, and does not glorify Christ in doing so.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous - I'm in agreement with you - it would be good to see ECUSA's HoB stand in solidarity with Robinson and refuse to attend, but I doubt that they will.<BR/><BR/>and Leonardo - yes isn't it shocking that ABp Akinola actually believes the word of God and the gospel of Jesus Christ - the sword of the Spirit which causes division, and the cross of Christ which is a scandal to the world, but is actually the power of God for the salvation of all who believe.<BR/><BR/>Brian FAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-32692658311475340242007-05-23T08:31:00.000-04:002007-05-23T08:31:00.000-04:00I am increasingly appalled by the Archbishop of Ca...I am increasingly appalled by the Archbishop of Canterbury's actions. I can only feel at this point that his most recent cave to those who would hold us all hostage to quest for power within the communion (Akinola, et. al.) is at the very least deeply sad/tragic, and at the most highly dysfunctional in its reinforcement of institutional bigotry. <BR/><BR/>We found out about this action at Provincial Synod yesterday. There were immediate calls, which we all echoed, for our bishops to boycott the conference in support of Bishop Robinson. I had a scary thought on the drive home though....If the argument is that TEC has left and the faithful remain (CANA, ACN), would action such as boycotting Lambeth (one of the 4 instruments of unity) reinforce that conservative argument that we have in fact left, perhaps in a court of law where property is at stake? <BR/><BR/>Our bishops will have to be very intentional about their response to all of this. I pray that they will will find a way to support Bishop Robinson and stand with him in the midst of this sad and unethical exclusion.Greg Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02743378506721900933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-76549847664076985852007-05-22T20:58:00.000-04:002007-05-22T20:58:00.000-04:00Very un-christian of the ABC and bad manners to bo...Very un-christian of the ABC and bad manners to boot from someone who was reared in a country where good manners are supposed to go along with good breeding and I assume he was the recipient of such an upbringing - what a spineless git. <BR/><BR/>Richard, it's time for Bob Pittsburgh to renounce his orders and leave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-83130612132122245922007-05-22T18:44:00.000-04:002007-05-22T18:44:00.000-04:00I would prefer Dr Williams to cancel the Lambeth C...I would prefer Dr Williams to cancel the Lambeth Conference entirely, as an event likely to do more harm than goodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-18661762396682574102007-05-22T18:24:00.000-04:002007-05-22T18:24:00.000-04:00David, who is bereft of a witty screen name - As I...David, who is bereft of a witty screen name - <BR/><BR/>As I understand it, only bishops with jurisdiction are invited, ordinary & coadjutor, not retired or suffragan.Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-15578203719979693622007-05-22T17:34:00.000-04:002007-05-22T17:34:00.000-04:00"At this point, and with the recommendations of th..."At this point, and with the recommendations of the Windsor Report particularly in mind, I have to reserve the right to withhold or withdraw invitations from bishops whose appointment, actions or manner of life have caused exceptionally serious division or scandal within the Communion"...+++Rowan<BR/><BR/>Surely he's speaking of Archbishop Peter Akinola of Nigeria? Has there ever been a Anglican Archbishop other than Akinola who has caused such "serious division" and "scandal" and downright harm to fellow Anglicans and fellow human beings?<BR/><BR/>Leonardo RicardoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-67201023939180272382007-05-22T16:47:00.000-04:002007-05-22T16:47:00.000-04:00And all this during the week after John 17 was the...And all this during the week after John 17 was the Gospel reading.. "That we all may be one" seems to ring a bit tinny in the AC.Muthah+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10589837671378205837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-56373183958028227482007-05-22T16:45:00.000-04:002007-05-22T16:45:00.000-04:00Mark, I am with you. Invite them all or don't inv...Mark, I am with you. Invite them all or don't invite any. This isn't a graduation party.Muthah+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10589837671378205837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-5006439976451788432007-05-22T16:22:00.000-04:002007-05-22T16:22:00.000-04:00Inviting Bishop Minns would look to me to be encou...Inviting Bishop Minns would look to me to be encouraging anarchy. Is having the discipline to penalize border crossers really worse than anarchy?<BR/><BR/>JonJonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13323740465436735706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-83937532987688513252007-05-22T15:52:00.000-04:002007-05-22T15:52:00.000-04:00Check out Akinola's statement:http://www.kendallha...Check out Akinola's statement:<BR/><BR/>http://www.kendallharmon.net/t19/index.php/t19/article/3054/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-58282512512720074032007-05-22T15:47:00.000-04:002007-05-22T15:47:00.000-04:00I would hope that the Episcopal Church's Executive...I would hope that the Episcopal Church's Executive Council would issue some statement rejecting the Archbishop of Canterbury's refusal to invite Bishop Robinson. He is, like his peers, a duly and appropriately elected bishop of the Episcopal Church.Jim Straderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16781331975297370366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-71434541680379210172007-05-22T15:36:00.000-04:002007-05-22T15:36:00.000-04:00I can't help but ask the same quesion over and ove...I can't help but ask the same quesion over and over, and that is, who's advising the ABC? I am also struck the ABC doesn't pay attention to his own words. Isn't it odd that certain bishops, who have crossed boundaries, should be invited to Tea, along with those US bishops who have left the doctrine, discipline and worship of the Episcopal Church or who have altered diocesan canons?<BR/><BR/>Just a thought, but wouldn't it be great if Tony Blair could take his appointment with him when he retires in June?Salzburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171290505617378812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-85731168928707555482007-05-22T15:27:00.000-04:002007-05-22T15:27:00.000-04:00I'll be interested to hear whether or not +David B...I'll be interested to hear whether or not +David Bena received an invitation...David Sibleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04130271057460112869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-38224307334862248442007-05-22T14:51:00.000-04:002007-05-22T14:51:00.000-04:00This is outrageous but somewhat expected. The only...This is outrageous but somewhat expected. The only question is: will the House of Bishops have the integrity to stand in solidarity with Bishop Robinson by refusing to attend?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-45437486299841164102007-05-22T14:45:00.000-04:002007-05-22T14:45:00.000-04:00Akinola's response to this "snub" is on Thinking A...Akinola's response to this "snub" is on Thinking AnglicansAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-79562624202569519472007-05-22T13:30:00.000-04:002007-05-22T13:30:00.000-04:00Great commentary, Mark. If indeed one of the main ...Great commentary, Mark. If indeed one of the main purposes of Lambeth is to pray together, this is slap in the face of Gene, The Episcopal Church and to Christ.Rick+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10741212721632980280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-30013506468337788472007-05-22T12:26:00.000-04:002007-05-22T12:26:00.000-04:00I'm struck by his hesitancy to invite "bishops who...I'm struck by his hesitancy to invite "bishops whose appointment, actions or manner of life have caused exceptionally serious division or scandal ...." So does <A HREF="http://www.sokwanele.com/articles/sokwanele/nolbertkunonga_05jan2006.html" REL="nofollow">Bishop Kunonga</A> not present a scandal? If we're going to start judging manner of life and behaviors, then we'd better have an Archbishop who has the wisdom of Solomon and God's own level of knowledge.Lisa Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00881671380217888810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-47635084361003856332007-05-22T12:16:00.000-04:002007-05-22T12:16:00.000-04:00Meanwhile, a rather pessimistic pronouncement from...Meanwhile, a rather pessimistic pronouncement from +Duncan is included in a report up this a.m. on the Dio PGH website: http://www.pgh.anglican.org/news/local/leadershipretreat052207 Guess they're waiting for the lawyers to tell them whether defection as a diocese or parish-by-parish stands the best chance.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11487436772081186896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-79509644599972919252007-05-22T11:41:00.000-04:002007-05-22T11:41:00.000-04:00Complete incoherence from Williams. I'll make the...Complete incoherence from Williams. I'll make the connection to which you alluded: if the Lambeth Conference, of all things, isn't an official synod of the Communion, Lambeth 1.10 is meaningless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-34259204588030000812007-05-22T10:45:00.000-04:002007-05-22T10:45:00.000-04:00With this move, the ABC has just aided and abetted...With this move, the ABC has just aided and abetted schism.Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474786207149076221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-39259157177036121012007-05-22T10:42:00.000-04:002007-05-22T10:42:00.000-04:00Well, that was a blunder, and very rude, and very ...Well, that was a blunder, and very rude, and very unchristian behavior!<BR/><BR/>It's becoming easier and easier to toss gay christians to the lions. First Jeffrey Johns, and now Gene Robinson.<BR/><BR/>The word 'inquisition' keeps running through my mind.-frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15065107773031033288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-21917301440452156672007-05-22T10:02:00.000-04:002007-05-22T10:02:00.000-04:00But Mark using that logic, shouldn't the AMiA bish...But Mark using that logic, shouldn't the AMiA bishops also be invited since they are bishops of Rwanda?<BR/><BR/>And what about the deposed bishop of Recife now under the protection of Abp. Venerables?<BR/><BR/>How about Mugabe's buddy, the Bishop of Harare?<BR/><BR/>I understand the idea of inviting all bishops, but where does one draw the line?Rev. Kurt Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11497143533527057579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-60200472625712604542007-05-22T09:35:00.000-04:002007-05-22T09:35:00.000-04:00Hmmm, is not being invited the same as ex-communic...Hmmm, is not being invited the same as ex-communication? After all isn't the primary definition of "membership" in the AC being "in communion" with the See of Canterbury? And if one is not invited to the party how can one then be in communion? Further more does this mean that those who are in the Diocese of New Hampshire or CANA are also ex-communicated?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-81157214447699967932007-05-22T09:13:00.000-04:002007-05-22T09:13:00.000-04:00If toujoursdan is right, that makes for an interes...If toujoursdan is right, that makes for an interesting balance. One person from each side of the fence that others criticize as being divisive figures. Though I still wish the Archbishop would have allowed Robinson there for some true discourse...Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09022870636795000275noreply@blogger.com