tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post1682755840539210641..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Newman not present, Bennison deposition nearer, Duncan a consultant.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-41527118416168882652008-10-08T05:56:00.000-04:002008-10-08T05:56:00.000-04:00Once again we have the wonderful Reasserter double...Once again we have the wonderful Reasserter double-standard: when it goes my (the Reasserter's) way, majority rules, when it doesn't go that way, Truth cannot be decided by a vote!<BR/><BR/>I would also ask how it is "tearing the fabric" in requiring Reasserters to "suffer" through the existence of active homosexuals in their churches, even in positions of leadership, and it is not "tearing" any sort of "fabric" to disregard - utterly - the prayerful, hard-fought, hard-won and truthful witness of gays and lesbians? How is it not tearing fabric to throw them away (feel free to give hollow explanations how it's not throwing them away)?MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-79002751777163930932008-10-06T20:01:00.000-04:002008-10-06T20:01:00.000-04:00jcf:I suppose it's a nice argument, though I canno...jcf:<BR/><BR/>I suppose it's a nice argument, though I cannot see how your last comment applies to the current situation. Pittsburgh was deciding Pittsburgh's affiliation, not Los Angeles'.<BR/><BR/>My real quibble with Mark's post was his seeming rejection of the leadership's vote in Pittsburgh as being representative of the majority in the diocese while expecting others to accept the leadership's vote of GC as representative of the national majority. I am all for giving <B>everyone </B>still in the church a vote to decide these important issues, something which our leadership seems loathe to consider (feel free to hollowly explain that the canons do not allow such a vote). If we are going to make decisions which tear at the fabric, we ought to require that the members of a parish, a diocese, or the church have a real voice.<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>JBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-33389419009530886442008-10-05T14:36:00.000-04:002008-10-05T14:36:00.000-04:00How is this any different than what GC 03 and 06 d...<I>How is this any different than what GC 03 and 06 did?</I> <BR/><BR/>JB,<BR/><BR/>GC delegates are authorized, by the TEC's Constitution and Canons, to make (confirm), or not, bishops.<BR/><BR/>Episcopal diocesan delegates are NOT authorized by the Constitutions and Canons, to <I>un</I>make Episcopal dioceses.<BR/><BR/>[I live in Michigan, and can vote for U.S. President. I <I>can't</I> vote against California's Prop 8 ("Eliminates right of same-sex couples to marry"), no matter how much I would like to: I don't have that authority.]<BR/><BR/>HTH.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-23525170092187862762008-10-05T14:18:00.000-04:002008-10-05T14:18:00.000-04:00Because Bennison actually did something that was w...<I>Because Bennison actually did something that was wrong?</I><BR/><BR/>Ah, there's the rub. If you think that fomenting schism from ECUSA (as opposed to just leaving and joining another Church) is wrong, then Duncan and Schofield did, indeed, do wrong.The Religious Pícarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620636294081499041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-41714778585131174972008-10-05T14:14:00.000-04:002008-10-05T14:14:00.000-04:00Lots to say about those "majority" religious gear-...<I>Lots to say about those "majority" religious gear-greasers who don't...won't.. heed the minority clarion voices that they are hearing.</I><BR/><BR/>Um, aren't the reasserters the one who are constantly insisting that the jillions of Anglicans in Nigeria make their side the majority of the Anglican Communion?The Religious Pícarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620636294081499041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-58343741731902926992008-10-05T09:07:00.000-04:002008-10-05T09:07:00.000-04:00Dear lapinbizarre:Because Bennison had a trial?Bec...Dear lapinbizarre:<BR/><BR/>Because Bennison had a trial?<BR/><BR/>Because Bennison had due process?<BR/><BR/>Because Bennison actually did something that was wrong?<BR/><BR/>Would you like more reasons why you haven't heard more.<BR/><BR/>Bob of FremongAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-54781049973884300222008-10-04T18:04:00.000-04:002008-10-04T18:04:00.000-04:00I love it that Newman's body, per se, could not be...I love it that Newman's body, per se, could not be moved from its resting place with his beloved companion.<BR/><BR/>Probably that "Protestant" baptism.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-72767835760535345232008-10-04T17:23:00.000-04:002008-10-04T17:23:00.000-04:00"If it is the majority, they will claim that "The ..."If it is the majority, they will claim that "The Diocese of Pittsburgh" has left. That will be completely inaccurate. What will be true is that a majority of the delegates representing their parishes will have voted to leave. Not all the members of a parish voting to leave will do so, just as not all members of a parish voting not to leave will stay. Instead, PEOPLE will leave or stay." -- How is this any different than what GC 03 and 06 did? Either the delegates represent the will of the people or not. If delegates at 03 represented their people, then you have to acknowledge the delegates at Pittsburgh represented the will of those who elected them to serve at this (and let's not forget the last as well) convention. If you do not accept that these delegates represented the will of those who elected them, then why should the orthodox in TEC (what few are left) be forced to accept the decisions of delegates from 03 and 06? <BR/>Peace,<BR/>JBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-23597792892414253562008-10-04T16:41:00.000-04:002008-10-04T16:41:00.000-04:00I hate to be obvious and ask, but what were they g...I hate to be obvious and ask, but what were they going to do with the body if they'd actually found something?<BR/> Sell it on e-bay?Fred Preusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06438368833909384043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-66254156424802964642008-10-04T16:27:00.000-04:002008-10-04T16:27:00.000-04:00Then there were those other pesky observations by ...Then there were those other pesky observations by Jesus:<BR/><BR/>"blind guides", "don't cast your pearls before the swine", "adulterous generation", "white-washed tombs".<BR/><BR/>Lots to say about those "majority" religious gear-greasers who don't...won't.. heed the minority clarion voices that they are hearing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-211131587053694442008-10-04T16:19:00.000-04:002008-10-04T16:19:00.000-04:00How come we have yet to hear a peep about the &quo...How come we have yet to hear a peep about the "illegality" of the Bennison deposition from those who continually do cry against the Schofield & Duncan depositions? Surely the same canon applies to all three cases?<BR/><BR/>Early in a new Stand Firm post on the Bennison case, Jackie Bruchi states "considering the evidence many wondered why there even had to be a trial." Say what, now, Ms. B?Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-53212440923456283232008-10-04T10:52:00.000-04:002008-10-04T10:52:00.000-04:00Mark,Here is a thought for those that have gone or...Mark,<BR/>Here is a thought for those that have gone or are about to go. Jesus said that when one is not accepted in a town or city to leave and not take a single thing with you. Do not take anything, not even the dust. He said shake the dust from your sandals and move on. So, JDS and Mr. Duncan, and soon to be Mr. Iker -- what gives?Frank Remkiewicz aka “Tree”https://www.blogger.com/profile/00501821790434895826noreply@blogger.com