tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post201845958103586105..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: CofE Synod steps back from the edge, succeeds in stepping in dungMark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-54560021489737642382010-02-12T07:03:46.702-05:002010-02-12T07:03:46.702-05:00"It is hard to know just what ACNA is proposi..."It is hard to know just what ACNA is proposing these days. It wants in, it wants out."<br /><br />Sounds like the Hokey-Pokey to me. :-)Nom de Plumenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-82670725750016067272010-02-11T12:43:12.709-05:002010-02-11T12:43:12.709-05:00No inter-communion “recognition” of the ACNA by th...No inter-communion “recognition” of the ACNA by the CofE is involved here, other than the fact that the CofE--like the rest of us--all “recognize” that ACNA “exists”, wants “to be Anglican,” can avail itself of methods “to request” to become formally in communion with the CofE, the TEC, the ACofC, the Anglican Communion, etc., etc. In essence, nothing has changed.<br /><br />Now the matter can be allowed to die in the CofE and Communion bureaucracies, where ACofC and TEC supporters can keep the topic bottled up in committee forever, if necessary. This Synod vote also dramatically reduces the chance of any other ACNA “recognition” resolution being promoted hereafter. After all, “it’s being studied” it’s “in committee”, the ACNA “has yet to make a formal request,” that a request “is pending, and subject to...” etc., etc. Finis, in other words.<br /><br />Folks in the UK should be aware that besides TEC there are about 20 Anglican Churches in North America. Each of them just as “recognized” by the CofE (and by the TEC and ACofC for that matter), as the ACNA. <br /><br />Readers may be interested in checking out some of these other “Continuing” Anglican Churches:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuing_Anglican_movement<br /><br />Kurt Hill<br />In snow-bound Brooklyn, NY<br />(More than a foot of the white stuff fell last night!)Kurthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10032216707367304535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-7706778516751893102010-02-11T10:08:04.479-05:002010-02-11T10:08:04.479-05:00I listened to the Archbishop of Canterbury's a...I listened to the Archbishop of Canterbury's address at St. Vladimir's Seminary in New York City on January 30th via the links found at this site:<br /><br />http://www.myocn.net/<br /><br />under the heading "Theology and the Contemplative Calling: The Image of Humanity in the Philokalia," which is some way down the page.<br /><br />The opening remarks included welcomes to the various dignitaries listening to the address. Among them were Bishop Herbert Donovan representing the Presiding Bishop, Bishop Mark Sisk of the Episcopal Diocese of New York, Archbishop Robert Duncan "and the other bishops of the Anglican Church in North America," and more.<br /><br />The address by the ABC was, of course, erudite and over my head.<br /><br />In the questions afterwards, the ABC answered several, and at the end said he didn't have time to address questions on the Anglican Communion, other than to request prayers for our unity.<br /><br />There were then brief closing remarks by His Beatitude Metropolitan Jonah.<br /><br />I wish I could have been there, observed who sat next to whom, who spoke together afterwards, and so on. I trust that all occurred in Christian charity.<br /><br />Allison de KanelAllison Elainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08127584096174430464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-4575846524578649542010-02-11T08:41:42.273-05:002010-02-11T08:41:42.273-05:00Why would ACNA expect to be granted full communion...Why would ACNA expect to be granted full communion status by the Church of England Synod? As they discussed during debate, and as has been mentioned by some on the listserv, ++York and ++Canterbury are canonically vested to determine with whom they are in full communion.<br /><br />Peace,<br />JBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-16265824921707051672010-02-11T08:33:23.981-05:002010-02-11T08:33:23.981-05:00Can anyone explain +Rowan to me?
pax, DevonCan anyone explain +Rowan to me? <br /><br />pax, DevonDevonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16244019177526847738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-10442145281631420172010-02-11T02:43:20.856-05:002010-02-11T02:43:20.856-05:00Clutching at straws here......how come the ABC and...Clutching at straws here......how come the ABC and the synod did not simply say, "Sorry, TEC is the Anglican Church in North America" and let that be clear??<br /><br />They are getting the ducks in a row....in May, they expect TEC to, once again, go its own way regardless of the "mind of the Communion" and then ACNA is in line for full recognition.....which it already has from the largest AC provinces.....the CofE has opened the door to do the same. <br /><br />Talking of ACNA wanting to be in....why does TEC want to be in the AC?Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-62637855721643707422010-02-11T00:12:56.170-05:002010-02-11T00:12:56.170-05:00Read it carefully and it remains sufficiently mean...Read it carefully and it remains sufficiently meaningless.<br /><br />Recent divisions in all, some (undefined)...<br /><br />Anglican family (meaningless - could be Communion, could be any definition)<br /><br />Aspitation - quite loose - raising issues (undefined) and need to explore (imposing an opinion there)<br /><br />Invite (well, quite less an assertion than something the Archbishops 'need' to do).<br /><br />The Bishop of Bristol's amendment was too obvious in its wrecking, so they had to be more subtle. This looks more like something, but actually is very little indeed.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-38771879284144742312010-02-10T23:44:44.346-05:002010-02-10T23:44:44.346-05:00All I see is the usual over-wordy appeal to anothe...All I see is the usual over-wordy appeal to another sort of "listening process."<br /><br />They'll "study" it. It would've been kinder to just say "Get lost!" The CofE is hoping to drag it out until either a) a clear "winning side" is shown, or b) ACNA goes away.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-5786581874795826552010-02-10T23:09:21.010-05:002010-02-10T23:09:21.010-05:00As someone who is critical of the desire for quick...As someone who is critical of the desire for quick fixes in the Communion, I am rather pleased with the resolution and would have been unhappy if the original resolution had passed. I think that every Church in the Communion will have to figure out its own position on ACNA. Given the divisiosn with the CofE, I am pleased that the Synod has made a cautious response and that it will be a while before any further response is made.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-17123813247041690522010-02-10T18:01:59.143-05:002010-02-10T18:01:59.143-05:00My question exactly, Robert.My question exactly, Robert.susan s.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03679099677585214433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-71967523562914276452010-02-10T17:12:18.334-05:002010-02-10T17:12:18.334-05:00Oops. misread your comment Mr. Dodd, my apologies...Oops. misread your comment Mr. Dodd, my apologies EmilyHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-47864706393725466132010-02-10T17:10:24.896-05:002010-02-10T17:10:24.896-05:00Re Episco shards. I believe the wording was remai...Re Episco shards. I believe the wording was remain in the "Anglican family" There is no attempt to define that entity. It could, for example refer to any church that derives its origin to the Church of England, the Reformed Episcopal Church for example, which does not now nor has it ever had and relationship to the Anglican Communion. That is why, from ACNA's perspective, the wording here is disappointing. It draws attention to the fact that ACNA is not nor has ever been in the Anglican communion, and, for that matter, can not then wish to "remain" within it. Also interesting is that the amended mtion reference "those who formed" ACNA. I wonder of whom, exactly, it is referencing, the June 2009 Article passers? Ratifiers? Who? EmilyHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-49447246006659458992010-02-10T16:55:57.709-05:002010-02-10T16:55:57.709-05:00I agree with your post, though there's one sma...I agree with your post, though there's one small error. There are actually seven (yes, seven) Anglican provinces in North America now, in the technical sense. Excluding the Carribean, there are five. We can't forget our sisters & brothers south of Mexico.<br /><br />I wrote about this a while ago. <br />http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/12/04/of-provinces-and-math/<br /><br />Peace,<br /> Scott+Scott Gunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04775271116737644034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-53952834396216316632010-02-10T15:42:10.939-05:002010-02-10T15:42:10.939-05:00Did I miss something? When last I looked, many of ...Did I miss something? When last I looked, many of the Episco-shards that make up ACNA were not in the Communion before ACNA was cobbled together. What's this "want to remain in" stuff?<br /><br /> Robert DoddAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1560502231708409732010-02-10T15:24:22.250-05:002010-02-10T15:24:22.250-05:00BB's world is often one of poetic desire fuele...BB's world is often one of poetic desire fueled by a mixture of politics, anger, guilt and confusion - much like her hero, Bob Dylan.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-86304117924506352442010-02-10T15:22:54.844-05:002010-02-10T15:22:54.844-05:00It reads the same but is just formatted differentl...It reads the same but is just formatted differently on the CoE website;<br /><br /><i>That this Synod<br /><br />(a) aware of the distress caused by recent divisions within the Anglican churches of the United States of America and Canada;<br /><br />(b) recognise and affirm the desire of those who have formed the Anglican Church in North America to remain within the Anglican family;<br /><br />(c) acknowledge that this aspiration, in respect both of relations with the Church of England and membership of the Anglican Communion, raises issues which the relevant authorities of each need to explore further; and<br /><br />(d) invite the Archbishops to report further to the Synod in 2011.</i>Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.com