tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post2535505515816689645..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: The days ahead in the land of the dissatisfied: South Carolina, Albany, and points west...Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-60230326135422238312009-08-04T09:47:54.258-04:002009-08-04T09:47:54.258-04:00Lapinbizarre said: Is there confusion in these com...Lapinbizarre said: Is there confusion in these comments between the diocese of SC and the diocese of Upper SC?<br /><br />For many of us who are a part of the DUSC, there is little confusion. Unfortunate for us, the DOC speaks more clearly and representatively than does DUSC. When (retiring) Bishop Henderson voted yes on D025 and C056 while at the same time signing onto the Anaheim Statement, we see again his pattern of "fence sitting" in action. His suggestion on DUSC website that this is "complementary" and not contradictory may seem eloquent in idea but nothing beyond that. For many of my conservative friends, our "light at the end of the tunnel" seems to be the hope of ACNA growth. St. John's North Augusta proved that it is more about the people than the steeple by bravely walking away from the building, turning in the keys to DUSC to become Church of the Holy Trinity within ACNA; they meet in a modest storefront now. You've heard it before - TEC left us long before we leave it. Our endurance is mute and we look forward to a fertile and flourishing place to call home.<br /><br />stephenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-83285374622026086392009-08-04T09:21:06.391-04:002009-08-04T09:21:06.391-04:00Lapinbizarre said: Is there confusion in these com...Lapinbizarre said: Is there confusion in these comments between the diocese of SC and the diocese of Upper SC?<br /><br />On a personal level for myself and that of my many conservative friends in the Upper Diocese, there is no confusion. The Diocese of South Carolina speaks for us in a much more representative manner than the Upper Diocese does; it is unfortunate that simply geographical residence keeps us from being a part of DOC. The growth of ACNA on the horizon leaves us hopeful; actually one rector and congregation [St. John's North Augusta, SC - now Church of the Holy Trinity] already bravely asserted "it's more about the people than the steeple" by leaving TEC and the building and handing in the keys to become a part of ACNA. When (retiring) Bishop Henderson voted yes on C056 and D025 while also signing the Anaheim Statement we, once again, see his "fence sitting" and belief that his action as "complementary and not contradictory" as being self-serving. As individuals who choose to believe in the Word as irrefutable and not "a book of faith stories", as one errant Bishop Staff Liason for the Bishop has suggested, a move to ACNA seems our only recourse. You've heard it before - TEC left us long before we decide to leave it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-29438085083447580402009-08-03T09:21:34.365-04:002009-08-03T09:21:34.365-04:00Actually Lapinbizarre I was referring to a bishop ...Actually Lapinbizarre I was referring to a bishop a few thousand miles west, northwest, Montana. Although people in the west often say that that the only places west of the Mississippi that really matter to TEC are California and Washington, correctly apparently.<br /><br />Chris H.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-71137175994527549362009-07-30T18:17:02.497-04:002009-07-30T18:17:02.497-04:00thank you...sincerely.thank you...sincerely.eponymnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-25595008480837400232009-07-30T17:23:54.051-04:002009-07-30T17:23:54.051-04:00eponym...my apologies. I have a life somewhere aro...eponym...my apologies. I have a life somewhere around here and got caught up in it. I'm in the midst of making a response to your question. Soon, provided making dinner does not become more pressing.<br /><br />Mark HarrisMark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-17048581811702433542009-07-30T16:25:05.898-04:002009-07-30T16:25:05.898-04:00Will someone at least explain to me why my questio...Will someone at least explain to me why my question is being ignored?eponymnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-13455714568356549912009-07-30T12:15:32.983-04:002009-07-30T12:15:32.983-04:00And speaking of cultural buy ins, shall we revisit...And speaking of cultural buy ins, shall we revisit the buy in of the Church to the ethics of the Roman Empire? Or the melding of church and colonial empire? Ironically, homophobia, not homosexuality, was the British import to Afica. Opening the box of acculturated values takes us all the way back to the NT which itself borrowed heavily from its mix of Jewish and Hellenistic cultures. The idea of a culturally pure Christian uniformity is a myth. Even the Four Evangelists do not agree on significant events and their meaning. ++Rowan has created an ideal church and expects everyone to buy into it. Not the real world.<br /><br />Sarah FlynnSarah Flynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-59327005638834288312009-07-30T09:31:02.740-04:002009-07-30T09:31:02.740-04:00Scott B wrote:I hope these dioceses will leave TEC...Scott B wrote:<i>I hope these dioceses will leave TEC for ACNA, where they will be welcome and home at last.</i><br /><br />Scott,<br />The dioceses can't "leave TEC." They're creatures of TEC. Individual members of TEC are, of course, pefectly free to leave and join a denomination that better suits their beliefs and values. But a diocese can no more leave TEC that a state can leave the Union. The folks in South Carolina, of all people (!!!), should understand this... well, maybe that's the problem, after all? Seccessionism is alive and well in South Carolina?WilliamKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14545955266846478775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-32632737041784549282009-07-30T03:25:17.179-04:002009-07-30T03:25:17.179-04:00Is there confusion in these comments between the d...Is there confusion in these comments between the diocese of SC and the diocese of Upper SC? Chris H's comment apparently refers to Dorsey Henderson, bishop of Upper SC. Mark Lawrence, bishop of SC, voted "No" on both resolutions.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-12005270049848715442009-07-29T18:08:54.702-04:002009-07-29T18:08:54.702-04:00I offered my question quite in earnest. Will some...I offered my question quite in earnest. Will someone please tell me how the covenant is tantamount to "a direct hierarchical setup with allegiance all the way up?" <br /><br />I do not understand at all how this is the consequence of this, and therefore I cannot understand the nature of the opposition.eponymnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-35084870682169060262009-07-29T14:52:45.631-04:002009-07-29T14:52:45.631-04:00I hope these dioceses will leave TEC for ACNA, whe...I hope these dioceses will leave TEC for ACNA, where they will be welcome and home at last. TEC should continue its agenda as far as it will, and that's fine. A unified Anglican Communion just won't include them. Then everyone can go their own way without fighting any more. Fighting is really pointless.Scott Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-84802886237938828692009-07-29T12:41:35.262-04:002009-07-29T12:41:35.262-04:00Like Fr. Daniel I don't think our bishop signi...Like Fr. Daniel I don't think our bishop signing the "Statement" means the diocese would sign the covenant. It was just an easy way to placate the conservatives in this diocese and still vote "yes" on Resolutions 25 and 56. This is a red state with a marriage amendment already passed years ago. Many here find the "all Episcopalians" must work against Marriage Amendments and DADT offensive and too political for church. The statement is something he can give conservatives to try and stop defections and/or more new ACNA churches from being started. And it doesn't cost him anything.<br /><br />Chris H.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-18591257573263092322009-07-28T22:47:11.766-04:002009-07-28T22:47:11.766-04:00Something may definately be afoot in South Carolin...Something may definately be afoot in South Carolina. Today's Standing Committee meeting; a few days ago the Episcopal Forum of South Carolina released two notices, one of them addressing how to stay Episcopal when your diocese leaves; and then there was Steve Wood's blog coverage from The General Convention. He was one of our deputies from South Carolina. And while he has a huge church he also has too much influence, albeit quietly and behind the scenes (though his blog commentary is sardonicly aggressive). When you add these up, some of us from the other side of the aisle in South Carolina are pretty sure something is up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-89546349677698124102009-07-28T19:51:15.210-04:002009-07-28T19:51:15.210-04:00re: "It would become a direct hierarchical se...re: "It would become a direct hierarchical setup with allegiance all the way up the line." <br /><br />Why? It is not at all clear to me that this is the case, yet you seem very sure of the matter. I am really trying to figure this out for myself, so please respond.eponymnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-9261814530756753592009-07-28T19:05:40.680-04:002009-07-28T19:05:40.680-04:00Mark, how about you give us a place to sign out. ...Mark, how about you give us a place to sign out. I'm with you.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-89998384328478711892009-07-28T17:56:32.071-04:002009-07-28T17:56:32.071-04:00I may be considered a "one-note" person ...I may be considered a "one-note" person but I hardly view the signature of the ordinary on the Anaheim Statement as a diocese's buy-in.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.com