tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post2734817125130985107..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Over at Stand Firm: when they are bad they are horrid.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-62733387073566204242007-11-05T21:03:00.000-05:002007-11-05T21:03:00.000-05:00There is also a thread about my seminary, VTS, whi...There is also a thread about my seminary, VTS, which starts out as simply sad ("conservatives are muzzled and the gays have free rein") and then devolves into the pathological. The oddest parts of the thread are posts from people who say they graduated from VTS, and kept their conservatism secret while there so they wouldn't be blackballed in their faculty evaluations (sent to their bishops and COMs). Why? So they might get a job in the same ECUSA that they seem so happy to deride. One would think that they wouldn't want to work for an institution they see as morally corrupt. Perhaps I'm missing something.<BR/><BR/>I normally don't read StandFirm, but following this particular posting - sent to me by a fellow seminarian - had the strange fascination of watching a train wreck.mibi52/ The Rev. Dr. Mary Brennan Thorpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02129758906278501568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-3257158100765768002007-11-05T10:46:00.000-05:002007-11-05T10:46:00.000-05:00"It seems to me that Greg made a straightforward p...<I>"It seems to me that Greg made a straightforward public unqualified apology for his error, ..."</I><BR/><BR/>Brian F has conveniently forgotten the standard that Mr. Griffith himself defined and proclaimed about the validity of apologies. He has done precisely what he refused to accept from Rev. Kaeton some months ago. Griffith is therefore being judged by the exact judgment that he himself applied to others, a most fitting outcome.<BR/><BR/>.taomikaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04152074305685769763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-32893245218146291212007-11-05T09:31:00.000-05:002007-11-05T09:31:00.000-05:00At the end of the day, only Bp. Harris has the cap...At the end of the day, only Bp. Harris has the capacity to accept the apology. I thought it genuine, if spoiled by the crud his readers posted to it. In fact, I sent him an apology of my own, as I had equated his reportage with that of the New York Times and it is not that bad, at least in the specific case.<BR/><BR/>I note that here, and on SF, we have those who simply cannot stand the idea that the right can be wrong, attempting to either equate the commentary elsewhere with this incident, or claim that somehow the initial article represented acceptable writing. My favorite is probably the one that says that as Bp. Harris is a woman, she cannot be a real bishop so who cares? Now there is Christian principal at work!<BR/><BR/>;;sigh;;<BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-27235445539385785282007-11-05T09:20:00.000-05:002007-11-05T09:20:00.000-05:00Taokmikael,It seems to me that if you're predispos...Taokmikael,<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that if you're predisposed not to accept his apology, you're probably not going to see his apology as a true apology. I'll say this- his apology sounded much more sincere than Elizabeth Kaeton's apology when she threatened Anne Kennedy. Take that for what you will. Perhaps that means that neither was good enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-88305128144894583452007-11-05T08:32:00.000-05:002007-11-05T08:32:00.000-05:00brain f - Greg was forced into an apology -and he ...brain f - Greg was forced into an apology -and he did it only reluctantly when it was clear he could not JUST remove the thread without comment. Which is what he did when he attributed a letter to VGR - ran a thread lambasting and mocking VRG for writing it and then found out that if he had done a modicum of research he would have plainly seen that VRG had NOTHING to do with the letter at all.<BR/><BR/>He's into to rallying for the purposes of railroading. It's a pattern - Ask Kaeton, Wolf, Fr. Jake and numerous others. SFiF has made a joke out of itself. And we'd all be laughing if it weren't so tragic and dangerous.C.B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17691002620980933111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-18253084451490595022007-11-05T05:19:00.000-05:002007-11-05T05:19:00.000-05:00It seems to me that Greg made a straightforward pu...It seems to me that Greg made a straightforward public unqualified apology for his error, but few on this blog have the grace to accept it as such and to extend forgiveness to him as your Lord has commanded - 70 times 7? haven't you heard of that one?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-3439432512626856772007-11-04T22:02:00.000-05:002007-11-04T22:02:00.000-05:00Preludium has long been on my reading list, and I ...Preludium has long been on my reading list, and I have to say that I'm a bit disappointed in you for two reasons.<BR/><BR/>One, that you gave money to the folks at StandFanatic, thereby encouraging them to continue to pollute the Net with their toxic cant.<BR/><BR/>Two, that you seem to have failed to recognize that Mr, Griffith's consistent conduct cannot be explained by attributing it to some sort of mental illness. There's too much calculation there, too much careful attention to what the sheeple that frequent the place want to buy for his antics to be just due to his aberrant conditioning or a brain chemistry imbalance. The reality is much more unpleasant.<BR/><BR/>Griffith has admitted altering headlines and crafting quotes to better suit the "message" of SFiF. That surely can come as no surprise to anyone possessing even a shred of intellectual integrity who reads more than a few articles there. He has assembled a team of authors who produce a consistent product. While their conduct might be attributable to a programmed ignorance and a deep need to make themselves personally significant by propagating their prejudices, Griffith doesn't fit that mold. He's an accomplished manipulator, and he's found an avenue to power that works for him.<BR/><BR/>The sudden removal of the thread about Bishop Harris, once the error was known, was not due to any respect for her. His qualified apology was anything but an apology; it was a calculated move to avert a PR problem and to turn it instead into an asset. "See? Look how humble I am, that I apologize when I've made a mistake." And the sheeple bought it, hook, line and sinker, right on schedule.<BR/><BR/>Did he promise amendment of behavior in the future? Of course not, nothing could be further from his mind. Did he truly name his sin? Nope, for to him, it wasn't sin. <BR/><BR/>One can pity a person carrying a burden of irrational prejudice. However, it's important to recognize the difference between one carrying such a burden, and one whose behavior is coldly calculated to bring them their desired personal rewards.<BR/><BR/>.taomikaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04152074305685769763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-42358123472224957052007-11-04T21:52:00.000-05:002007-11-04T21:52:00.000-05:00I've alerted the person in the photo, a UCC minist...I've alerted the person in the photo, a UCC minister who was protesting the Iraq war, about this contretemps. Like Bishop Harris, she is accustomed to the arrogant racism of white churchmen -- I feel confident she'll be very honored.janinsanfranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07548452260456734928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-73233942467625615342007-11-04T20:04:00.000-05:002007-11-04T20:04:00.000-05:00I'm sorry- the Michael Russells of the HOBD world....I'm sorry- the Michael Russells of the HOBD world... with his sneering "Talibanglicans" and "bullydox"... are at least as offensive as anything at SFiF. That doesn't make either side right when they go down this path, but I've never seen Russell et al. apologize.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-9249750227143957602007-11-04T18:32:00.000-05:002007-11-04T18:32:00.000-05:00It's a good thing that the "orthodox" constantly a...It's a good thing that the "orthodox" constantly announce that they are Christians--otherwise no one would ever guess it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-2394319644723750022007-11-04T13:49:00.000-05:002007-11-04T13:49:00.000-05:00Stand Firm has apparently retracted the "story", b...Stand Firm has apparently retracted the "story", but that doesn't change anything. The damage is done, the hate is exposed. As I said at Fr. Jake's:<BR/><BR/>Stand Firm is the bastard child of the Faux Network (can't use the word "news" in that reference), as is VOL (oh, wait; that one should be spawn...)<BR/><BR/>At least Greg acknowledges that Barbara Harris is still Christian and would preach the Christian faith! (Does the guy really not know what a dope he is?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-69979909681295050152007-11-04T12:55:00.000-05:002007-11-04T12:55:00.000-05:00I think this may have already blown over:http://ww...I think this may have already blown over:<BR/><BR/>http://www.episcopalcafe.com/lead/bishops/a_note_from_bishop_barbara_har.html<BR/><BR/>While the apology seems somewhat qualified, I'm willing to take it as genuine.<BR/><BR/>Can we get back to being the hands and feet of Christ in the world now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-47729942496021938302007-11-04T11:50:00.000-05:002007-11-04T11:50:00.000-05:00It looks like Greg has admitted his error, taken d...It looks like Greg has admitted his error, taken down the article, and publicly apologized.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-52529167775900513962007-11-04T08:42:00.000-05:002007-11-04T08:42:00.000-05:00Interesting. The article over at "that site" has, ...Interesting. The article over at "that site" has, at 0840hrs, East Coast time, has been pulled. It was certainly a new low for even <I>that</I> blog.<BR/><BR/>Padre WayneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com