tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post4329158463970688167..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: More Episcopal Parishes in Pittsburgh affirm continuing common life in TECMark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-29334483587127696592008-12-11T08:15:00.000-05:002008-12-11T08:15:00.000-05:00Well Observer, we can't speak about size until all...Well Observer, we can't speak about size until all of the dust settles other than to say we are right now 2 to 3 times larger than Quincy before their split. We will be a very healthy and spiritually alive diocese.Andy Muhlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09438527060443509986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-14993809697707247832008-12-11T03:32:00.000-05:002008-12-11T03:32:00.000-05:00So, will this be one of TECUSA's larger dioceses?So, will this be one of TECUSA's larger dioceses?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-72257876906080803302008-12-10T22:47:00.000-05:002008-12-10T22:47:00.000-05:00In an attempt to bring this thread back to the top...In an attempt to bring this thread back to the topic, the Episcopal Diocese of Pittsburgh is holding their reorganizing convention this weekend. <BR/><BR/>It's an exciting time as we work to undo so many years of division. We are currently counting on about 40% of the previous parishes to participate in this glorious event along with many special guests including Bishops and representatives from surrounding diocese throughout our region.<BR/><BR/>Please keep us in your prayers. Much work lies ahead.<BR/><BR/>Andy Muhl<BR/>Dio. of Pittsburgh volunteer web admin<BR/>(Mark+, many thanks for your encouraging comments)Andy Muhlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09438527060443509986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-21768076767145434842008-12-10T01:21:00.000-05:002008-12-10T01:21:00.000-05:00Hasn't that giant sucking sound gotten anyone's at...<I>Hasn't that giant sucking sound gotten anyone's attention yet?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, Allen, we've heard you, already.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-73839594895307992002008-12-09T21:38:00.000-05:002008-12-09T21:38:00.000-05:00David - I can't argue with your point, but I think...David - I can't argue with your point, but I think we all know better now. I say look forward, God is talking to us: and He is saying the only thing you get to take with you from the past is lessons learned and love remembered.<BR/><BR/>Allen - there are many more important moral issues than gay marriage: I give you the ten commandments for starters. I pray that you will look around and seize all the wonderful opportunities we have to spread the Good News, the real message of Christ.<BR/><BR/>I see no lack of morality in the lives of my fellow parishioners, and I rarely know the sexual orientation of the people I work with in local outreach or sit with in the pews. The sacrament of marriage is between the two parties involved - and I haven't been wound up about homosexuality since I first worked with Ls,Gs,Bs and Ts in my teenage years. I'm 51 so that's quite a while now. Reading the writings of people like Tobias Haller told me why I always felt this way, that God has the problem with the selfishness of promiscuity - not the "sexual orientation" of a loving couple.<BR/><BR/>If we are lacking in "moral authority" about the LGBT community, we are in good company with the Evangelical Lutherans, the United Methodists and the Presbyterian Church (USA). There's no place to hide with the Roman and Eastern churches, either, I have known plenty of partnered LGBTs in those traditions, too.<BR/><BR/>Allen, I <I>returned</I> to the Episcopal Church after Bishop Robinson was ordained. It's beginning to seem more like the church of my childhood, not the dirge of my young adult years. You are missing something important. Wake up, it's not about gay marriage. It's about living the life of the Gospel, and Jesus didn't have much to say about gay marriage stuff, did he. Love God, love your neighbors. There's no bitterness in that, trust me.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09748809418423591030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-79793341832372555762008-12-09T12:19:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:19:00.000-05:00“Hasn't that giant sucking sound gotten anyone's a...“Hasn't that giant sucking sound gotten anyone's attention yet?”<BR/><BR/>Um, *what* “giant” sucking sound???<BR/><BR/>Even by the most charitable calculations, perhaps 5-7% of the Episcopal Church has “realigned” or will wind up doing so.<BR/><BR/>That leaves 93-95% of the membership in place.<BR/><BR/>“Giant” sucking sound???<BR/><BR/>Um, hyperbolic much? That’s not a giant sucking sound, and certainly not a bang – merely a whimper. Unfortunate, but more of a “shedding” than a “split,” and nothing “giant” about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-59375422599414301622008-12-09T11:51:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:51:00.000-05:00Lynn,The "vacuum" is really the complete collapse ...Lynn,<BR/><BR/>The "vacuum" is really the complete collapse of accountability in this Church. Bishop Bruno and Integrity-oriented priests have changed the doctrine of this Church concerning marriage. Their teaching is not in sync with the 1979 Prayer Book definition of marriage. Forget that they also ignore the canons on Communion for only the baptized. What's the point of GC '09? Save thousands of dollars. Stay home. Apparently every bishop does what is right in their own eyes. (Vows, anybody??)<BR/><BR/>There IS a vacuum of clear teaching and it has gotten worse in the past five years. That the majority of our enrolled members no longer want this Church as currently manifested is evidence of that tragic fact. No one is replacing them. I'm looking for the answer that no one wants to admit to yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-79107434690752737642008-12-09T10:30:00.000-05:002008-12-09T10:30:00.000-05:00I liked Lynn's response, but Allen has a point (al...I liked Lynn's response, but Allen has a point (albeit from a much different perspective than mine).<BR/><BR/>Nonsense like the "hardshell Baptist in Anglican drag" stuff in the AAC/ACN dioceses <I>does</I> arise, somewhat, out of a lack of leadership & commitment from regular old broad church Episcopalians.<BR/><BR/>If we neglect broad, intellectually honest, thoughtful, liberal Christianity then we deserve a Duncan / Iker / Stanton sort of leadership.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10124314924693077453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-6068472656958292542008-12-09T05:40:00.000-05:002008-12-09T05:40:00.000-05:00Allen,That vacuum sound? Here's what faithful but...Allen,<BR/><BR/>That vacuum sound? Here's what faithful but unchurched people tell me in the D.C. area: that they don't want to sit in the pews with people who 1) don't get that Jesus is only one-third of the Trinity; and/or 2) are hypocrites that don't lead particularly good lives from Monday to Saturday; and/or 2) are sour about how the world, and mainline Protestantism, have changed. It takes some guts to admit being "Christian" when you are someone of quiet faith. .<BR/><BR/>Stop looking at the vacuum cleaner. Open up the canister, and fish these people out, help them brush off the dust. It takes some time and patience. They're not going to come to church with you that first time if all they hear are complaints.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09748809418423591030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-64365199195340815802008-12-08T23:36:00.000-05:002008-12-08T23:36:00.000-05:00Ah, but fellow pontificators, let's remember a cou...Ah, but fellow pontificators, let's remember a couple of things:<BR/><BR/>1. A vacuum takes place that allows such leadership as Bishop Duncan. It's a problem which still remains for TEC. TEC is unable to get deep commitments and ongoing responses from the majority of its members. There is widespread dissatisfaction with the preaching, teaching, and direction of TEC. It's just not going to go away by hurling mudpies at those who...have left...and those who want to stay and fix it. Showing the door to the critics leaves only an impetous and childish type behind to play with no one.<BR/>2. The only answer thus far from 815, et al, seems to be to pull the ropes tighter and legislate respect and loyalty. That will certainly "weed out" the Ikers and Duncans, but others are now looking twice (and more) at this gasping type of "reconciliation".<BR/><BR/>Where are those who can truly fill the vacuums that so many absentees are telling us exists? Hasn't that giant sucking sound gotten anyone's attention yet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-32243939274653542742008-12-08T22:49:00.000-05:002008-12-08T22:49:00.000-05:00BRAVO REAL EPISCOPALIAN/ANGLICANS!It´s true, you a...BRAVO REAL EPISCOPALIAN/ANGLICANS!<BR/><BR/>It´s true, you are loved, wanted and EVERYONE is WELCOME at The Body of Christ!Leonardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16667415590825321701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-16183015702149082852008-12-08T22:04:00.000-05:002008-12-08T22:04:00.000-05:00Well, it is interesting, indeed. It's too bad he i...Well, it is interesting, indeed. It's too bad he is too delusional to realize that a huge portion of "his" imaginary diocese thinks he is *not* the new Luther his psychosis tells him he is.<BR/><BR/>It is true, this is stranger than fiction. Even Scientology can't write stuff this good.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14102516595261243693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-17806886826197159352008-12-08T18:36:00.000-05:002008-12-08T18:36:00.000-05:00This is good news for those of us who want to see ...This is good news for those of us who want to see reconciliation and reformation from within. Let's hope that GC '09 doesn't change their minds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-39870513207170797412008-12-08T18:12:00.000-05:002008-12-08T18:12:00.000-05:00Good for the Real Diocese of Pittsburgh, and may t...Good for the Real Diocese of Pittsburgh, and may their parishes grow as people realize that the shroud of darkness has been lifted.Padre Mickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580459577853346369noreply@blogger.com