tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post4669919798006045560..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: The Anglican Covenant Crapshoot: Prognostications for mid April.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-61172994544673330252011-04-19T03:58:33.009-04:002011-04-19T03:58:33.009-04:00Snapping would be healthier, because organic snaps...Snapping would be healthier, because organic snaps can heal, gently, bit by bit, when the arguments have subsided and the fog has cleared.<br /><br />Institutionalised splits are rarely healed and even more rarely formally removed.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-47119327238536203222011-04-18T10:50:27.722-04:002011-04-18T10:50:27.722-04:00Peter C: I suspect it is snapping. Many feel that ...Peter C: I suspect it is snapping. Many feel that national churches are a better way to go, as in the Lutheran World Federation. Where there is confusion is over a) 'this has always been so' assumptions; b) this new federal thing is a good way to move forward (no more instruments, etc)but what will it actually look like in terms of global gatherings as catholic Christians; and inside TEC, c) how to get everyone to agree to a) and b) as the heritage described in the BCP, esp if dioceses want to hold onto a genuine communion of accountability.<br /><br />BillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-15009012339577433992011-04-18T09:02:57.064-04:002011-04-18T09:02:57.064-04:00I would like to be t that we will spend more time ...I would like to be t that we will spend more time on the Anglican Covenant than say, feeding the hunry, clothing the naked, visiting the imprisoned, saving children from malaria, freeingthe hostages in Nigeria, reuniting the children of the night in Uganda, setting up Women's shelters in Zaire, protecting the poor and homeless in the USA, saving meidcare nad social security, and generally following the footsteps of Jesue combined! So, how do we chart that?Frank Remkiewicz aka “Tree”https://www.blogger.com/profile/00501821790434895826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-46453092215906610252011-04-17T23:25:07.128-04:002011-04-17T23:25:07.128-04:00Are we witnessing the Communion splitting up (culp...Are we witnessing the Communion splitting up (culprits are to blame for wielding their axes)or snapping (no one to blame, it always was something held in tension ...)?Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-55726459191609970072011-04-17T19:51:59.508-04:002011-04-17T19:51:59.508-04:00Good comments by all. I do hope Elizabeth is righ...Good comments by all. I do hope Elizabeth is right! I suspect we should take the old Scottish advice, "Dinna fash yersel'" about the Covenant -- if it ends up doing real damage (and it might), it's probably damage that would have been done sooner or later anyway. Those of us who follow sites like "Thinking Anglicans" know that much (not all) of the Church of England is already a train wreck.<br /><br />Tobias, you are (as usual!) on target. A lot of us have been around long enough that we remember the salad days following Vatican II, before the Curia locked Paul VI in a closet (or whatever they did to him) and then followed him with JP2 and B16. (Hmm. I wonder what the real story was about JP1? Let's revive a conspiracy theory!) Some day we can hope for union with Rome, and we should be praying for that, but I Am Not Holding My Breath. (Rome's refusal to talk to us seriously is, I think, Not Our Problem.)<br /><br />Meanwhile. good for the Maoris.WSJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09712152737422347034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-53299796603295944892011-04-17T17:48:13.898-04:002011-04-17T17:48:13.898-04:00Mark, I think your guesstimates are just about rig...Mark, I think your guesstimates are just about right. One of the "reasons to sign" you omit plays in some circles: "So we can be a real Church just like Rome and then she will talk to us seriously..." Probably not a huge slice of the pie, but worth remembering. (I think Rowan takes his with ice cream.)Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-68207315442283873742011-04-17T09:19:46.760-04:002011-04-17T09:19:46.760-04:00Thank you, Mark. A very good analysis that results...Thank you, Mark. A very good analysis that results, in the end, with my own prognostication, but you have done it with your usual blend of insightful analysis, attention to detail and eloquence. <br /><br />I do not fear a further split, as some do. I suspect the "final vote" on the "final draft" will be a real wake up call about just how dangerous and ill-conceived this Covenant actually is. We'll have something "on record" but ultimately, I think, the Covenant will be relegated to a place in history just behind the 39 Articles in the BCP - except, it will never be placed in any new addition of the BCP. <br /><br />Instead, it will be a rolled up and stored in an ornate box, high up on a shelf in a dusty library at Lambeth Palace. It will only be taken out, unfurled and waved around menacingly whenever anyone wants to object to the next thing that provides "offense" to someone's understanding of what it means to be a "true" Anglican.<br /><br />In another 30 years, we'll all look back on this time, scratch our heads in dismay and say to each other, "What the WHAT was THAT all about?"<br /><br />And, we'll all have a good laugh. Even Jesus.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-35167533389051148252011-04-17T01:36:03.208-04:002011-04-17T01:36:03.208-04:00I am afraid that the damage is already done and Je...I am afraid that the damage is already done and Jesus is already weeping: whether or not the provinces sign up, they have spent the last several years bickering about this topic. <br /><br />Not only may the Anglican Communion split up, so may its constituent churches. I, for one, would not want to remain in a Church of England that had put its name to such a shameful and un-Christian document.<br /><br />When tectonic plates shift, earthquakes follow.Laura Sykeshttp://www.layanglicana.org/forum.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-53227649272380894172011-04-17T00:25:48.912-04:002011-04-17T00:25:48.912-04:00Very well done.Very well done.SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1818670362051659722011-04-16T23:37:20.938-04:002011-04-16T23:37:20.938-04:00I'm beginning to wonder if Jesus isn't all...I'm beginning to wonder if Jesus isn't all cried out over our nonsense.SCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08162762233972733978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-19918878084260235142011-04-16T23:19:24.118-04:002011-04-16T23:19:24.118-04:00Well, Mark, you are a brave soul!
If you are corr...Well, Mark, you are a brave soul!<br /><br />If you are correct—and that is certainly possible—we may get the worst possible outcome. That would be a Communion that had been split over sexuality split also over the covenant. We would have two nearly equal tiers, neither of which was homogeneous on the homosexuality issue. Not only would the Communion be split, but even its major blocs would be split.<br /><br />It would serve Rowan right, but Jesus will weep.Lionel Deimelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08363018512775944659noreply@blogger.com