tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post5361651283551332062..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Time to go Archbishop Gomez: leave with your honor intact.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-18978079885237961572007-09-04T10:27:00.000-04:002007-09-04T10:27:00.000-04:00JimB,They shouldn't stop with +Duncan. +Iker, +Sta...JimB,<BR/><BR/>They shouldn't stop with +Duncan. +Iker, +Stanton, and the other AAC/ACN schismatics deserve the same...<BR/><BR/>We've been "nice" long enough. Like Hercules at the Augean Stables, it's time to clean up this mess.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10124314924693077453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1488948961858150472007-09-02T21:23:00.000-04:002007-09-02T21:23:00.000-04:00The plotting is far and wide now, with several ind...The plotting is far and wide now, with several individuals batting for one side formally and batting for the other actually. In the UK we have Chris Sugden (to be our first Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion) bishop?) stating to the Jamaica Gleaner all sorts of lines so that the newspaper states, without comment, that Archbishop Akinola is the "natural replacement" for Archbishop Williams. In other words, they are all bringing their plans into fruition so that come September 30 there is no turning back. The alternative Communion (not as they'd see it) is on its way.<BR/><BR/>http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20070901/news/news5.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-7821717012575256142007-09-02T18:37:00.000-04:002007-09-02T18:37:00.000-04:00Amongst the usual suspects, I'm interested to note...Amongst the usual suspects, I'm interested to note that there's been no mention of S E Asia being represented.Grahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169248413912949059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-90405205295965261192007-09-01T21:58:00.000-04:002007-09-01T21:58:00.000-04:00EPfizH & allYou are correct, I miss-typed.FWIWjim...EPfizH & all<BR/><BR/>You are correct, I miss-typed.<BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-53959595646466992102007-09-01T17:35:00.000-04:002007-09-01T17:35:00.000-04:00That first sentence of yours, Charlotte, states th...That first sentence of yours, Charlotte, states the situation more clearly and succinctly than I've seen anywhere else.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-28801474704180937452007-09-01T15:44:00.000-04:002007-09-01T15:44:00.000-04:00Well, obadiahslope, it's a bit much when the man w...Well, obadiahslope, it's a bit much when the man who heads a committee charged with keeping the Communion together is simultaneously, and with maximum publicity, doing his best to break it up. Speaks to a certain credibility problem with the whole effort.<BR/><BR/>Or is this a case of not letting the right hand know what the left hand is doing?<BR/><BR/>But if the efforts to draw up a Covenant have failed -- and they have failed, thanks in some considerable part to ++Drexel Gomez's recent actions -- we can still be in Communion with each other, and continue to seek ways to formalize that Communion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-47872976303350850492007-09-01T09:31:00.000-04:002007-09-01T09:31:00.000-04:00For JimB Is it possible you meant Don Armstrong+ ...For JimB Is it possible you meant Don Armstrong+ as the alleged trust violator? He was found guilty of such by an ecclesiastical court in Colorado and, he may or may not be indicted, for such in civil court. The matter has been appropriately turned over to the civil authorities. Were you referencing David Anderson+ of the American Anglican Council by mistake? EPfizHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-25880684478834363762007-08-31T17:32:00.000-04:002007-08-31T17:32:00.000-04:00The Primates of Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda, Southern Co...The Primates of Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda, Southern Cone, West Indies, Malango, West Africa, Indian Ocean were present at the Kenyan service. Nigeria sent a representative. Tanzania, Congo and the Sudan sent messages of support.<BR/>I guess these 12 primates serve on a number of Anglican Communion committees. <BR/>Why only demand that Gomez step down? One of these primates is reported to be coming to the TEC HoB meeting in New Orleans. Would you rather he stay at home?<BR/>I might be reading you wrongly, Mark, but you seem to be suggesting that a commitment to supporting TEC should be a requirement for high office in the Anglican Communion.<BR/>From an outsider's perspective that comes across as a little high-handed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-11669599498608363942007-08-31T17:13:00.000-04:002007-08-31T17:13:00.000-04:00Go(ing) once, go(ing) twice...Go, Go, just *Go* Go...Go(ing) once, go(ing) twice...Go, Go, just *Go* Gomez!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-80003111344803353042007-08-31T15:46:00.000-04:002007-08-31T15:46:00.000-04:00Fr. Mark,You seem to have forgotten rule one: in p...Fr. Mark,<BR/><BR/>You seem to have forgotten rule one: in pursuit of the unholy, and evil is just fine.<BR/><BR/>So, Bp. Duncan can participate in the laying on of hands for two out-off-communion bishops. His oath to be subject to the discipline of TEC is in tatters, but hey as Joseph Stalin observed, making an omelet requires one's breaking eggs. Fr. Anderson can rip off a charitable trust, he is after all a holy homophobes! Windsor means nothing, unless one is dishonestly using it as a club as do the 'Windsor bishops.' It is all in the service of their self-aggrandizing holiness. <BR/><BR/>I watched the entire web cast of the Kenyan ordinations. ABp Gomez did indeed participate, as did the Moderator of the Nutwork. How they retain their invitations to Lambeth is beyond me. How TEC can justify not presenting and removing Bp. Duncan is beyond any understanding.<BR/><BR/>I am seriously researching the possibility of a breach of fiduciary responsibility suit against the Presiding Bishop and executive council of they do not move on a presentment against Bp. Duncan. Allowing that man to use resources from the diocese of Pittsburgh to assist in acts like this is unconscionable.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-72480446346020234942007-08-31T14:32:00.000-04:002007-08-31T14:32:00.000-04:00These people have no shame.These people have no shame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-77977541954628145202007-08-31T13:12:00.000-04:002007-08-31T13:12:00.000-04:00Indeed an interesting article, lapinbizarre. So Su...Indeed an interesting article, lapinbizarre. <BR/><BR/>So Sugden equates Reformation principles with evangelical principles, even as he equates sexual ethics with "core doctrine," i.e. the Creeds. Rather bold, but, to be sure, not in the way Sugden intends it to be bold.<BR/><BR/>Archbishop Gomez apparently agrees. Sex as mandatory core doctrine for everyone! But, of course, no problem with all those lingering differences in such apparently non-core areas as, say, sacramental theology or women's ordination...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-19539950215209291262007-08-31T11:30:00.000-04:002007-08-31T11:30:00.000-04:00I can see no obvious pattern or dynamic in the lem...I can see no obvious pattern or dynamic in the lemming-like behavior of these people in recent weeks and months. It's as though each of them is trying to outdo the next in demonstrating revolutionary zeal. Am I missing something - seeing only chaos, missing the underlying order?<BR/><BR/>PS Regarding "revolutionary zeal", you will have seen Chris Sugden's most recent contribution to this mess:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/?p=2046" REL="nofollow">http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/?p=2046</A>Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.com