tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post5627385009703315895..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Declaration by Occupy Wall StreetMark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-75562785875048127582011-10-15T21:54:00.254-04:002011-10-15T21:54:00.254-04:00"..and let's not forget that some - if no..."..and let's not forget that some - if not many - are being paid to be there and protest. Lots of money being shelled out for this. Not quite like the pure, colonial "down with tyrants" shouts of the past when you get a paystub for the effort."<br /><br />Yes, the Koch brothers really did write big checks to subsidize the Tea Party.Counterlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345956180434795401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-48338273247779676682011-10-15T16:14:55.645-04:002011-10-15T16:14:55.645-04:00in 1989, some stuff happened in history..... becau...in 1989, some stuff happened in history..... because people in East Germany realised life was better in West Germany...... maybe the US needs to be impoverished by outdated leftist economic dogmas before some people realise that there is only money for schools and hospitals if some people make a profit and pay a lot of tax..... protest all you want....what the US needs is more people to make more profits and pay more tax....if you want more nurses and teachers.........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-69300688483809576622011-10-14T21:42:35.489-04:002011-10-14T21:42:35.489-04:00...and let's not forget that some - if not man......and let's not forget that some - if not many - are being paid to be there and protest. Lots of money being shelled out for this. Not quite like the pure, colonial "down with tyrants" shouts of the past when you get a paystub for the effort.<br /><br />...ever wonder whose buying this crowd's time?<br /><br />...and the garbage being thrown at police, and the utter filth in the park camp and on the streets don't seem quite as pure as Thomas Paine or Molly Pitcher either.Allennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-91088307018586706652011-10-13T14:24:20.319-04:002011-10-13T14:24:20.319-04:00Well according to the WaPo and Time today, the gen...Well according to the WaPo and Time today, the general public much prefers Occupy Wall Street to the Tea Party by a wide margin, and just as crucially, the populist positions of OWS are also popular:<br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/the-morning-plum/2011/10/13/gIQAULRHhL_blog.html<br /><br />And who can blame them? Who would you really rather spend time with? A lot of bitter misanthropic farts with guns always ready? Or a lot of dirty but friendly kids with high naive ideals and very legitimate gripes willing to take on the banks and the cops and have fun while doing it?Counterlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345956180434795401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-71340512765314860542011-10-11T04:43:11.332-04:002011-10-11T04:43:11.332-04:00Nice screed from Randian laissez-faire capitalism,...Nice screed from Randian laissez-faire capitalism, there. <br /><br />Idiotic, unimaginative, fearful . . . but impressively sustained. <br /><br />Beyond the fact that there is nothing Christian or even decently moral about unregulated capitalism, there's the fact that it is like its supporters - it feeds itself until it dies from its own excess. It is a mindless, aimless beast. <br /><br />Shanghai, Hong Kong, Singapore . . . such excellent examples of quality of life. <br /><br />God save us from these gutless fools who believe wealth is anything <i>other</i> than what you decide is worthwhile.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-58281442123896905952011-10-09T07:59:08.376-04:002011-10-09T07:59:08.376-04:00Guess who pays more tax to pay for social securit...Guess who pays more tax to pay for social security and other US government services .... these protesters or 'Wall St'??? Easy to protest, harder to contribute in real ways to pay for services people need... <br /><br />Andcan anyone name even one Wall st bank that has not paid back government financial help in full? They have all paid back financial aid..... but I guess 'the left' doesn't worry about facts when there is populism to be played with.....<br /><br />Anybody protesting against those irresponsible people who took mortgages which they could not afford, sometimes telling lies about their income, and on which they have reneged? No...they have votes, so no criticism of them from the left.<br /><br />Any protest against GM being 'bailed out' by the US govt? No....the UAW wouldn't like that.........<br /><br />Go for it, regulate Wall St to death..... Hong Kong, Singapore and Shanghai are poised to become the centre of global finance..... demonise 'Wall St' for a mortgage crisis made in Washington (who created the subprime loose rules?) .... the US lost its place as no.1 manufacturer in the world...... it can also lose its no.1 spot in finance....... then the protesters can fill the tax gap lost with their populism....right? In the real world, someone has to earn money to pay for stuff...including government spending..... the US should regulate properly (unlike the president who presided over the introduction of subprime)... but it must make sure it is competitive......populism pays for zeroAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-87199035351775934772011-10-06T11:07:24.216-04:002011-10-06T11:07:24.216-04:00From 15,000 to 30,000 protesters descended upon Lo...From 15,000 to 30,000 protesters descended upon Lower Manhattan yesterday in the largest Occupy Wall Street (OWS) demonstration yet. There were quite sizable contingents from the CWA, TWU, DC37 and 1199. Thousands of students from Columbia, New School, NYU and other colleges swarmed into Foley Square in lower Manhattan, having staged walkouts of classes to join the gathering. <br /><br />When one considers that this mass demonstration was built in a matter of no<br />more than 48 hours and was essentially a local demonstration it is quite a remarkable achievement!<br /><br />A friend of mine remarked “There was is a certain ‘Woodstock’ character to this event. I came last Thursday with my guitar to introduce the new song I'd written, and ended up jamming for quite a while with a banjo player from West Virginia and his<br />wife.”<br /><br />But while it was an element of a “flashback” to the Sixties for some of us, the issues were quite different now. Mostly people focused their anger on Wall Street greed; they raised many issues including the demand for decent jobs; debt relief from huge student loans; help for folks with underwater mortgages. Above all, they wanted the rich to pay their fair share of taxes. “The banks got bailed out—we got sold out!” was probably the most chanted slogan of the march.<br /><br />A couple of dozen protesters were arrested following minor altercations with the kops—a really small number given the size of the day’s action.<br /><br />My parish priest, Fr. John Merz from Ascension Greenpoint, is working to put out a call to various clergy to meet in from of St. Paul's Chapel at 6:30 pm today and then walk over to the General Assembly. Fr. John had it put up on the Diocesan website (LI) and trying to get it on NY diocese website. It’s 6.30 in front of St. Paul's Chapel...Call for Clergy Solidarity.<br /><br />And around the country, occupations against Wall Street greed are growing!<br /><br />Kurt Hill<br />Brooklyn, NYKurtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-50800192990316390212011-10-05T21:40:56.657-04:002011-10-05T21:40:56.657-04:00Interesting analysis of this movement on the CNN w...Interesting analysis of this movement on the CNN website by a media theorist named Douglas Rushkoff -- <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/05/opinion/rushkoff-occupy-wall-street/index.html?hpt=hp_t2" rel="nofollow">Think Occupy Wall St. is a phase? You don't get it</a>. It's well worth reading in full. He begins:<br /><br />"Like the spokesmen for Arab dictators feigning bewilderment over protesters' demands, mainstream television news reporters finally training their attention on the growing Occupy Wall Street protest movement seem determined to cast it as the random, silly blather of an ungrateful and lazy generation of weirdos. They couldn't be more wrong and, as time will tell, may eventually be forced to accept the inevitability of their own obsolescence."dr.primrosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05045500427671158694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-66225787961143841192011-10-05T15:58:59.736-04:002011-10-05T15:58:59.736-04:00Excellent, Kurt, to have someone on the ground, as...Excellent, Kurt, to have someone on the ground, as it were. I look forward to your report, and the folks have my prayers.<br /><br />I think what speaks to me is that there's no single issue. Everyone there is different, and there are probably as many reasons for the occupation as there are people. It's just folk exercising their right to assemble in public and make it known that all is not well and "Here we are, together!".Lois Keenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13708877817422097051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-8657881514224158982011-10-05T14:18:35.351-04:002011-10-05T14:18:35.351-04:00Kurt Hill,
You're in Greenpoint-Williamsburg?...Kurt Hill,<br /><br />You're in Greenpoint-Williamsburg? So am I; Engert Ave right on the BQE.<br /><br />I won't be able to make the big rally today. But, I plan to stop by tomorrow, Thursday. Maybe I'll see you there.Counterlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345956180434795401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-63755919249483458502011-10-05T10:39:46.117-04:002011-10-05T10:39:46.117-04:00I have been working with the Occupy Wall Street fo...I have been working with the Occupy Wall Street folks, and the occupation is truly inspirational. Today (Wed. Oct. 5th) there is a mass Community/Labor march and rally beginning at 4:30 pm. I have been organizing to get as many people from Greenpoint and Williamsburg involved as possible. I’ll report back on the results of the rally tomorrow.<br /><br />Kurt Hill<br />Brooklyn, NYKurtnoreply@blogger.com