tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post5642974510252724669..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Canon Giles Fraser, The Best of what we can be.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-2983823982321572372011-11-05T08:47:40.904-04:002011-11-05T08:47:40.904-04:00MadPriest.MadPriest.MadPriesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15120376342802143188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-6437589144394828932011-11-05T08:12:58.851-04:002011-11-05T08:12:58.851-04:00Look's like the inclusion of Mad Priest in the...Look's like the inclusion of Mad Priest in the kudos for Fraser didn't work out too well.<br /><br />FMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-35601297293693825342011-11-04T16:30:45.552-04:002011-11-04T16:30:45.552-04:00Jim, or whatever you're calling yourself this ...Jim, or whatever you're calling yourself this week,<br /><br />Come on up to New York and join me in Zuccotti Park this Sunday at 3:30 for the weekly interfaith prayer service.Counterlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345956180434795401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-25259434654307189092011-11-04T16:19:38.465-04:002011-11-04T16:19:38.465-04:00I'll bow to your first hand experience of the ...I'll bow to your first hand experience of the situation, Jim.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-4298359144535347202011-11-04T09:35:55.401-04:002011-11-04T09:35:55.401-04:00I think domiciling yourself in a tent is a lazy fo...I think domiciling yourself in a tent is a lazy form of protest. It looks in on itself and not outward at the problem. It becomes a circus of drink, drugs and lots of fun. Lazy and ineffective.<br /><br /><br />JimJimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-74301014697604452602011-11-03T20:30:09.149-04:002011-11-03T20:30:09.149-04:00Curious it is that those who want little or no reg...Curious it is that those who want little or no regulation for corporations are eager to tightly regulate rights of free speech and assembly. Confine the angry unwashed rabble to "free speech zones" where they can do and say anything they want, but only because it doesn't matter.<br /><br />The right calls itself small government or even anti-government. Baloney! The right is only interested in rolling back government in regards to property rights. In all other areas of life, they are eager to expand the scope and the powers of the state, from making war to police powers over everything from who believes in what to who sleeps with whom.Counterlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345956180434795401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-66992032417646658702011-11-03T18:19:39.810-04:002011-11-03T18:19:39.810-04:00Closer to the truth is that the protestors were mo...Closer to the truth is that the protestors were moved on and Giles Fraser acted on his own in inviting them to stay at St Pauls, else the entire debacle would not have happened. He acted unilaterally and then when he was not supported, after creating the situation, he resigned.<br /><br />And what has been accomplished in all this? Nought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-58287949510281477242011-11-03T07:20:02.543-04:002011-11-03T07:20:02.543-04:00"...so that protestors could camp out at a Ca...<i>"...so that protestors could camp out at a Cathedral instead of a Stock Exchange?"</i> They went to St Paul's only when their path to the Stock Exchange, their original target, was blocked by the police. Why would the cops "protect" the Stock Exchange but not a church, you may ask.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-82420732506751026612011-11-01T23:55:38.507-04:002011-11-01T23:55:38.507-04:00Mimi,
I have to admire you - people like Jim and ...Mimi,<br /><br />I have to admire you - people like Jim and you still believe humanity has a chance!MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-46576287716922456112011-11-01T08:39:31.361-04:002011-11-01T08:39:31.361-04:00The Times:
"...some genuine campaigners left...The Times:<br /><br />"...some genuine campaigners left the camp in disgust over its descent into what one described as a place for bawdy hedonism, drink and drugs."<br /><br />JimJimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-43805325730874342632011-10-31T18:05:45.633-04:002011-10-31T18:05:45.633-04:00So that's it? Look it up?
What about the act...So that's it? Look it up? <br /><br />What about the actual reality and for that matter the comment of MP?<br /><br />Let me take out that sentence, and perhaps you can enlighten and not avoid.<br /><br />**<br />Why were they driven away? We hear much embrace of violence, as inevitable, as the Police sweep in to dismantle expensive tents, etc. <br /><br />Why not then bear up against the 'driving away' at the LSE? Do the police use different kinds of clubs in one place or the other? <br /><br />And what does it mean that the Cathedral is a legitimate 'soft touch'? I'm glad I haven't lost my job because of a my being a 'soft-touch' alternative to standing one's ground at the LSE.<br /><br />And let's not just glue Jesus Christ onto whatever cause we favour, making him now a 'soft-touch.' His path to the cross was borne with drops of blood like sweat, the evangelists tell us. Why, so that protestors could camp out at a Cathedral instead of a Stock Exchange?<br /><br />JimJimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-126192917973941882011-10-31T17:16:38.796-04:002011-10-31T17:16:38.796-04:00And is this even factual?
Jim, look it up. Googl...<i>And is this even factual?</i><br /><br />Jim, look it up. Google is your friend.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-80745253964155397162011-10-31T17:11:45.928-04:002011-10-31T17:11:45.928-04:00Why were they driven away? We hear much embrace of...Why were they driven away? We hear much embrace of violence, as inevitable, as the Police sweep in to dismantle expensive tents, etc. <br /><br />Why not then bear up against the 'driving away' at the LSE? Do the police use different kinds of clubs in one place or the other? <br /><br />And is this even factual? <br /><br />And what does it mean that the Cathedral is a legitimate 'soft touch'? I'm glad I haven't lost my job because of a my being a 'soft-touch' alternative to standing one's ground at the LSE.<br /><br />And let's not just glue Jesus Christ onto whatever cause we favour, making him now a 'soft-touch.' His path to the cross was borne with drops of blood like sweat, the evangelists tell us. Why, so that protestors could camp out at a Cathedral instead of a Stock Exchange?<br /><br />JimJimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-75885104258482964002011-10-31T16:54:31.799-04:002011-10-31T16:54:31.799-04:00What were the protestors driven away in? I hope it...What were the protestors driven away in? I hope it was something nice, like a Rolls Royce or an Aston Martin.MadPriesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15120376342802143188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-71458730039498193312011-10-31T16:52:29.180-04:002011-10-31T16:52:29.180-04:00The protestors were driven away from the London St...The protestors were driven away from the London Stock Exchange.<br /><br />The health authorities are satisfied with the facilities of the protestors.<br /><br />Why the huge disparities in income between the rich and the poor?<br /><br />And why wouldn't the church be a soft touch for the poor and those who advocate for the poor? It seems only right to me. Jesus was pretty much of a soft touch himself.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-59675053139909642592011-10-31T15:14:37.454-04:002011-10-31T15:14:37.454-04:00Yes, it sounds like the protesters saw the Cathedr...Yes, it sounds like the protesters saw the Cathedral as a soft touch, as compared with the Stock Exchange. And for their efforts, the Cathedral is now paying the price. Church as chump. <br /><br />JimJimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-74594207759749450792011-10-31T14:43:30.740-04:002011-10-31T14:43:30.740-04:00good questions Jim..... just as the NY occupations...good questions Jim..... just as the NY occupations are not upsetting Clinton and Bush for their light regulation or any banks..... seems like some small groups like to camp anywhere - who are they helping in any way? I would be impressed if they did something useful.....eg help the homeless who do not have fancy tents but live on those streets..... and if you have the support of the "the 99%" stand in local and national elections, get elected....change the system....seriously, why not do that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-23265639616002657382011-10-31T13:38:12.920-04:002011-10-31T13:38:12.920-04:00We see now that the Dean has stood down.
Can some...We see now that the Dean has stood down.<br /><br />Can someone explain:<br /><br />1. why does a protest have to consist of tents and over-night stays? Why can't people protest all day and night and not sleep rough in high-end tents? <br />2. why is the protest at the cathedral and not at the stock exchange?<br />3. what bathroom facilities and clean water and cooking provisions are available?<br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />JimJimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-17811956748903561382011-10-30T09:43:16.057-04:002011-10-30T09:43:16.057-04:00MP
While not PR-worthy, your ministry is valued a...MP<br /><br />While not PR-worthy, your ministry is valued and important.<br /><br />You also don't put fellow Christians in bleachers. <br /><br />SamuelSamuelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-60955062631089351012011-10-30T09:30:25.350-04:002011-10-30T09:30:25.350-04:00so, do people really want to support the right for...so, do people really want to support the right for anybody to camp out in front of your church (on church land) ....or on your garden.... in a democracy in which they can stand in electtion and if they have the support of just 51% (not the 99% they claim), they can win and change the system...? what if you do not like the group which chooses to camp on your land....still going to defend their right to occupy your land? St Pauls have been tolerant for 2 weeks...they asked the police to stand back....they made space for the protesters...... now, when they and Giles Fraser politely ask the protesters to move on, they refuse....... because, they say, the couple of hundred of them speak for the 99%..... despite their absence in elections to get that mandate........... anyway, support illegal occupations in democracies.....and one will come to you one day....... and it might be the Klan or someone else seeking to "Occupy the US" or something..... not what any of us would want.....maybe we should support legal protest in democracies? Stand in elections...if the 99% support these occupiers, they will win and can change the system ....... wonderful thing, democracy..... if it is used.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-2048159763974636642011-10-30T06:04:50.663-04:002011-10-30T06:04:50.663-04:00Please, move on.
That would be nice. Unfortunatel...<i>Please, move on.</i><br /><br />That would be nice. Unfortunately, I don't have the right sort of friends.MadPriesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15120376342802143188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-34985380709708580302011-10-29T22:36:06.039-04:002011-10-29T22:36:06.039-04:00Friends: starting with MP's comments, some of ...Friends: starting with MP's comments, some of which are a bit passionately those of a bright wonderful clergy person for whom the system has done little, there has been a rather nasty bit of give and take.<br /><br />I admire Giles, I admire MP. I don't much like what is going on here. <br /><br />MP is more often a day to day pastor through his prayer and light a candle pages. Giles is more often a voice I hear and heed. I value both. I hope readers here do to.<br /><br />What Giles did he did not have to do. Much of what MP does he seems to have to do. Either way, they are more like the church I want to be part of than people who neither stand when they have to or stand when they must, but sit it out and mutter from the bleachers.<br /><br />'nuf said.<br /><br />Please, move on.Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-62625978574295490392011-10-29T21:59:00.433-04:002011-10-29T21:59:00.433-04:00Monsieur Coq le Combat:
Kindly direct your rebarb...Monsieur Coq le Combat:<br /><br />Kindly direct your rebarbative insults to MadPriest. <br /><br /><br />Grace and peace<br /><br />SamuelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-19292180693712482832011-10-29T20:58:23.109-04:002011-10-29T20:58:23.109-04:00Pontificating and smartass-ing beats the hell out ...Pontificating and smartass-ing beats the hell out of plain old pontificating, doesn't it, Sammy?Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-67925065345102719212011-10-29T19:32:11.065-04:002011-10-29T19:32:11.065-04:00The program reproduced my comments due to malfunct...The program reproduced my comments due to malfunction.<br /><br />Sincere apologies, in Christ<br /><br />SamuelSamuelnoreply@blogger.com