tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post6071727956083032042..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Bishop Anderson on behalf of ACNA/ Akinola blasts heresy in TEC (no suprise).Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-20761461293802515122009-02-18T04:11:00.000-05:002009-02-18T04:11:00.000-05:00KJS can only sue re, for example, being called a p...<I>KJS can only sue re, for example, being called a pluralist, if she would testify in court that she believes John 14:6 and Acts 4:12 mean exactly what they say</I><BR/><BR/>Isn't it because she (perhaps) doesn't believe Scripture means exactly what YOU (and Matt Kennedy) say, Observer, that you call her a heretic?<BR/><BR/>[Can someone tell me where I can get one of these <B>VOICE-OF-GOD Self-Interpreting Bibles</B> that the ConEvs always seem to rely on? (Does Amazon carry them?) All my Bibles, regretably, are just words on a page to my eyes, till <I>my brain</I> tells me what they mean---you know, as best I can figure out, w/ the help of Holy Tradition]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-7064761936459309782009-02-17T17:31:00.000-05:002009-02-17T17:31:00.000-05:00"Pelagianism, Marcionism, Pluralism, Universalism ..."Pelagianism, Marcionism, Pluralism, Universalism and Gnosticism..." It boggles the mind!<BR/><BR/>I asked God about Matt Kennedy. God said, "Oh, I love Matt, even though he's a twit."WSJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09712152737422347034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-62736689359509219362009-02-16T21:44:00.000-05:002009-02-16T21:44:00.000-05:00Phil, perhaps so; I could have misunderstood Matt'...Phil, perhaps so; I could have misunderstood Matt's intent, although it could be read as I understood it. Whether or not that is the case, however, I would still question his characterization of the AAC Report as "truthful and accurate." He may simply be mistaken, or misled; but I have documented at least one inaccuracy.Marshall Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-14416654998321642342009-02-16T18:40:00.000-05:002009-02-16T18:40:00.000-05:00Dan: "But go ahead and rant. It is what you do bes...Dan: "But go ahead and rant. It is what you do best here."<BR/><BR/>This 'report' is nothing but a foam-flecked rant, because the AAC don't have the b*lls to initiate any heresy proceedings against +KJS - (<I>"oh, but those nasty liberals wouldn't allow it...excuse...excuse..."</I> - how about simply on principle, which you're so fond of claiming you have?) - just like ++Akinola didn't have the b*lls to bring it to the Primates Meeting but acted the big man when he was safely home.<BR/><BR/>AnglicanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-72230180924318668992009-02-16T17:48:00.000-05:002009-02-16T17:48:00.000-05:00I'd be surprised if any American court would accep...I'd be surprised if any American court would accept a libel case which necessitated deciding whether or not Dr Schori's public utterances are heretical.Paul Goingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06479425203740052841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-23699184758244290832009-02-16T17:01:00.000-05:002009-02-16T17:01:00.000-05:00Curious they don't seem to accuse anyone of the he...Curious they don't seem to accuse anyone of the heresy Donatism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-55319925435095656702009-02-16T16:21:00.000-05:002009-02-16T16:21:00.000-05:00I love to see the amateur lawyers foaming at the m...I love to see the amateur lawyers foaming at the mouth. It isn't libelous to opine that the public statements of the PB are inconsistent with orthodox Christianity or that they are heretical any more than it is for you to say that in your opinion, the things Peter Akinola says proves he is a homophobe. But go ahead and rant. It is what you do best here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-80027749753808580922009-02-16T14:42:00.000-05:002009-02-16T14:42:00.000-05:00Marshall,My reading of Matt Kennedy's post is that...Marshall,<BR/><BR/>My reading of Matt Kennedy's post is that he stands by every word of <I>his</I> article - "The Presiding Bishop's Top Five Heresies" - not every word of the report itself. I haven't seen any indication that, other than allowing permission for this article to be used, Fr. Kennedy had anything to do with writing the report.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-2282647695574354132009-02-16T14:33:00.000-05:002009-02-16T14:33:00.000-05:00"Being litigious is starting to become a part of w..."Being litigious is starting to become a part of what it means to be an Episcopalian." Brings to mind the well-known Jewish joke about the man who murdered his parents and pleaded for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan, DoW.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-29005530923715626152009-02-16T11:15:00.000-05:002009-02-16T11:15:00.000-05:00May God protect you, Matt; but before you "stand b...May God protect you, Matt; but before you "stand by every word," please read through the list of resolutions purported to "defy Anglican Communion calls for moratoria on same sex blessings and consecrations to the Episcopate of persons in homosexual relationships by (1) calling for the repeal of General Convention 2006 resolution B033 which calls upon “Standing Committees and bishops with jurisdiction to exercise restraint by not consenting to the consecration of any candidate to the episcopate whose manner of life presents a challenge to the wider church and will lead to further strains on communion,” (2) weakening the definition of traditional Christian marriage, and (3) promoting the creation of rites for same-sex blessings." <BR/><BR/>The resolution from the Diocese of West Missouri, for one, does none of those things. Instead, it quotes Lambeth 1998 1.10; the Windsor Report; and the Anglican Communion web site to support a local expression of the Listening Process. Yes, it's cited on an Integrity web page; and yes, Integrity folks probably do think it's progress. However, it's not what was cited. <BR/><BR/>Matt, your consistency is not in question, nor your integrity in general: you certainly believe what you say, and argue for it. But, before you "stand by every word," be sure of the sources.Marshall Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-30675659602390065732009-02-16T11:13:00.000-05:002009-02-16T11:13:00.000-05:00DoW,We would be able to support the MGDs much more...DoW,<BR/>We would be able to support the MGDs much more vigorously, as you would, if you would please give back that which does not belong to you.Frank Remkiewicz aka “Tree”https://www.blogger.com/profile/00501821790434895826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-30419111146102255582009-02-16T08:55:00.000-05:002009-02-16T08:55:00.000-05:00It's interesting to see how for many Episcopalians...It's interesting to see how for many Episcopalians, their first reaction to being hurt or embarrassed or insulted now is to see how the situation can fit into a lawsuit.<BR/><BR/>The reaction to having some leaders being called out as heretics isn't "Why do they think these leaders are heretics?" or "What did these Bishops say that makes people think they are heretical" or "Have what they been misunderstood?"or "Did they make some claims that are outside the bounds of Christianity?"<BR/><BR/>The first question asked is, "who can we sue, and on what grounds?"<BR/><BR/>Being litigious is starting to become a part of what it means to be an Episcopalian. So much so, we have seen financial support for the MGD's dropped in favor of paying lawyers.<BR/><BR/>DoWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-14809891288127500532009-02-16T07:26:00.000-05:002009-02-16T07:26:00.000-05:00Matt Kennedy: "I stand by every word."Course you d...Matt Kennedy: "I stand by every word."<BR/><BR/>Course you do - after all an ACNA pointy hat won't arrive on it's own...<BR/><BR/>But of course, hypocrisy as usual is only just hiding around the corner. Seems your own beloved Kenyan Church (and other GAFCON bishops) are happy to take the heretical TEC shilling when it suits them:<BR/><BR/><I>"Anglican Bishops from West Africa are attending a week’s Consultative Meeting...<BR/><BR/>The meeting under the auspices of <B>Global Partners Trinity Grants Programme</B> would in addition, strengthen ties within the Anglican Communion through mission-based partnerships.<BR/><BR/>It is being attended by Anglican Bishops from Ghana, Sierra Leone, Zimbabwe, Zambia, <B>Kenya</B>, Cameroon..."</I><BR/><BR/>http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/religion/artikel.php?ID=157588<BR/><BR/>AnglicanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-31439875331120893712009-02-16T06:45:00.000-05:002009-02-16T06:45:00.000-05:00Well, Matt Kennedy, you can be happy that the Sull...Well, Matt Kennedy, you can be happy that the Sullivan case protects you -- holding, as it did, that there can be no libel of "public figures" absent actual malice. Although, come to think of it, you come very close to crossing that line indeed!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-4632778649023644242009-02-16T04:59:00.000-05:002009-02-16T04:59:00.000-05:00Some of you love to be outraged! Libel is only l...Some of you love to be outraged! Libel is only libel if it ain't true.... so, your beloved KJS can only sue re, for example, being called a pluralist, if she would testify in court that she believes John 14:6 and Acts 4:12 mean exactly what they say....but she would not do that..... but do carry on enjoying being outraged despite the facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-65363294017580321552009-02-15T23:25:00.000-05:002009-02-15T23:25:00.000-05:00Malcolm+ the link is imbedded in the Akinola lett...Malcolm+ the link is imbedded in the Akinola letter on the AAC website. There are two linked papers. The Canadian blast is the second one. Paper link:<BR/>http://www.americananglican.org/an-open-letter-from-archbishop-akinola-to-archbishop-williamsMark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-40777978901226684762009-02-15T20:35:00.000-05:002009-02-15T20:35:00.000-05:00Hi Anglican, I am very pleased that the AAC has pu...Hi Anglican, <BR/><BR/>I am very pleased that the AAC has published this truthful and accurate paper and even more honored that my brief article "The Presiding Bishop's Top Five" heresies was used. I stand by every word. <BR/><BR/>Matt KennedyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-31356375869083494812009-02-15T19:45:00.000-05:002009-02-15T19:45:00.000-05:00I'm surprised those are all the heresies they coul...I'm surprised those are all the heresies they could come up with. Where's Arianism? Where's Monothelitism? Nestorianism? Monophysitism? <BR/><BR/>This is so disappointing. They're obviously getting lazy in their slander.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17550041790269387561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-41960340124274814882009-02-15T19:00:00.000-05:002009-02-15T19:00:00.000-05:00Where might one find the libelous screed directed ...Where might one find the libelous screed directed against teh Canadian church?Malcolm+https://www.blogger.com/profile/08469936715413110334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-30095690573324317702009-02-15T10:22:00.000-05:002009-02-15T10:22:00.000-05:00The AAC paper (published on the web and disseminat...The AAC paper (published on the web and disseminated widely) openly and publicly states that ++Katherine Jefferts Schori is a heretic - the section specifically referring to her is headed "Heresy of the Presiding Bishop". It then openly states 5 heresies of which she is guilty. This is libellous and constitutes written "defamation per se" - i.e. an allegation or imputation "injurious to another in their trade, business, or profession" - unless the quotations which follow can be proved without doubt to be 'heretical' and examples of the 5 declared heresies. They cannot. ++Jefferts Schori should strongly consider bringing an action against Matt Kennedy, David Armstrong and the Council of AAC.<BR/><BR/>AnglicanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-16567378923283060342009-02-15T00:26:00.000-05:002009-02-15T00:26:00.000-05:00accelerating litigation by TEC against the orthodo...<I>accelerating litigation by TEC against the orthodox</I><BR/><BR/>I don't think it's accelerating fast enough, or there'd be another suit filed: against Mr. Anderson, for <I>libel</I>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com