tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post6447534697417804849..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: On the "Maturity" of the Anglican Covenant: Stay Awake!Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-67495009036804019092009-05-07T00:56:00.000-04:002009-05-07T00:56:00.000-04:00Prayers from the Epicenter!Prayers from the Epicenter!Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-58561735225731989262009-05-06T19:49:00.000-04:002009-05-06T19:49:00.000-04:00The Mormon leaders in Salt Lake City strongly disa...The Mormon leaders in Salt Lake City strongly disapprove of polygamy--even though quite a few of them are themselves engaged in "plural marriages."nlnhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-54840320026060849902009-05-06T10:49:00.000-04:002009-05-06T10:49:00.000-04:00The Archbishop of Sydney, Peter Jensen, has refuse...The Archbishop of Sydney, Peter Jensen, has refused to allow lay presidency in Sydney, and threatened to use his power to veto synod motions that were aimed at introducing it.<br />The appelate tribunal of the anglican Church of Australia (the churches court) has ruled that lay presidency would require a change in the canons.<br />Jensen has said that he will not allow lay presidency to be introduced while it is illegal. There is little chance of a change in the law. <br /><br />John Sandeman / Obadiah SlopeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-6424474354861207942009-05-06T08:35:00.000-04:002009-05-06T08:35:00.000-04:00Lay presidency, of course.Lay presidency, of course.nlnhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-52714830046659432762009-05-06T04:35:00.000-04:002009-05-06T04:35:00.000-04:00Okay nlnh,
I don't claim to know everything that h...Okay nlnh,<br />I don't claim to know everything that happens in my town but please give me time and place about the things you believe happen in Sydney "every day" that are against Anglican belief and practice.<br /><br /><br />John SandemanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-50218489983522734582009-05-05T13:02:00.000-04:002009-05-05T13:02:00.000-04:00Brian, far greater departures from Anglican belief...Brian, far greater departures from Anglican belief and practice happen every day in Sydney than have ever taken place in New Hampshire.nlnhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-58611651681279802872009-05-04T22:17:00.000-04:002009-05-04T22:17:00.000-04:00Sigh.
I appreciate the comment from Priscilla in ...Sigh. <br />I appreciate the comment from Priscilla in large part because almost six years later... I'm a really, really, really fed up with the assertion that the people of the Diocese of New Hampshire have to repent of <B>anything</B>. It is amazing to me how much energy has been expended on trying to erect enormous stumbling blocks to the full participation of LGBT people. Now there are covenants. I would recommend that we read the Baptismal Covenant... and pay special attention to the last part about respecting the dignity of every human being. I think we'd all get along a lot better if we'd just try to do that, with God's help.SCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08162762233972733978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-51447149429424317822009-05-04T19:03:00.000-04:002009-05-04T19:03:00.000-04:00How ironic that Brian F once again trots out the "...How ironic that Brian F once again trots out the "innovations in doctrine and praxis" meme on the same day that Orombi throws a hissy fit and screams about provincial autonomy and warns the ABC that the Windsor Report and the Instruments have NO authority over the decisions of a province to attempt to seat an extra-Anglican priest as the "Ugandan" representative on the ACC, and one who proclaimed quite proudly that his organization goes behind the scenes and blows things up (even though he tried to walk it back and claim he meant "powers and principalities." <br /><br />As per the usual, its " one set of rules for thee but no rules for me" when it comes to the conservatives. We didn't "repent" for Robinson+ even though the Windsor Report and the Primates communiques have no true authority yet we are the "villains" when Orombi claims the same freedom as he tries to mess up the ACC meeting and the AC adoption with conservative subterfuges.<br /><br />And that vast majority of Anglicans worldwide sure are hiding themselves well, what with the several provinces who have publicly declared their concerns with the Ridley Draft of the AC, their willingness to attend Lambeth, the continuation of the Primates Meeting, and so on. <br /><br />I agree with you, Brian F that we have "two irreconcilable expressions of faith" -- I have blogged before on the question of whether we even worship the same deity. The stuff I've read on SFF and T19 and the malarkey being put forth by the reasserters has made me realize that there is precious little in common between the Jesus I serve and the one that tells conservatives that the ends justify the means, lying is OK after all (10 commandments be darned), vilifying fellow Christians is A-OK, and that scripture can be read literally to bash LGBT Christians but interpreted on all other matters to suit the conservative credo.<br /><br />I'm with Mark all the way on this one and we are awake, indeed.Priscillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13810106898462541118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-35784425581929211332009-05-04T17:21:00.000-04:002009-05-04T17:21:00.000-04:00It is a judgement by others that place the actions...It is a judgement by others that place the actions taken, (so-called "innovations in doctrine"), as "outside of the faith." I guess I have lived too long in the US of A to believe that the "much larger majority" is always about what is "right and good". <br /><br />I believe that each of us must read, mark and consider Scripture and doctrine, and then choose and live as we believe, in the knowledge that God loves us all in the midst of all our differences. It has nothing to do with the opinion of the "larger majority," which would probably be the easier road.Beryl Simkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04518248428800542990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-82750898148702045322009-05-04T14:20:00.000-04:002009-05-04T14:20:00.000-04:00John 2007 thanks Mark Harris, truly, for writing
...John 2007 thanks Mark Harris, truly, for writing<br /><br />"The problem was caused by some people (me included) acting in ways that other people found outside the faith."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-17111271541480907352009-05-04T14:00:00.000-04:002009-05-04T14:00:00.000-04:00Mark, I fear that the RCDC may slip through the AC...Mark, I fear that the RCDC may slip through the ACC approval process pretty much unaltered, with the result that the Anglican Communion will end up more divided than it is now.<br /><br />All animosities in Christian communities wound, but do not kill the Body of Christ. Whatever happens in the already-broken Anglican Communion, the Body of Christ lives on. Thanks be to God.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-86533235265779936202009-05-04T07:14:00.000-04:002009-05-04T07:14:00.000-04:00brian f. thanks, I meant provisionality, the spel...brian f. thanks, I meant provisionality, the spell checker meant provisionally. (sigh) Thanks for catching this.<br /><br />The ecclesiastical bureaucrats and oligarchs in question are the people who gave us this solution. The problem was caused by some people (me included) acting in ways that other people found outside the faith.Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-28929563917090175962009-05-04T00:57:00.000-04:002009-05-04T00:57:00.000-04:00Mark - I don't accept that it was "ecclesiastical ...Mark - I don't accept that it was "ecclesiastical bureaucrats and oligarchs" that gave us this mess in the first place, but innovations in doctrine and praxis among liberal north American provinces that upset the much larger majority of Anglicans around the world, followed by a completely inadequate expression of regret rather than repentance. We mean completely different things by repentance, and atonement, and even revelation and inspiration, such that we have ended up with two irreconcilable expressions of faith.Brian Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06938619697698149146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-44622680241491393752009-05-04T00:50:00.000-04:002009-05-04T00:50:00.000-04:00Mark - do you mean to say "provisionality" (n) ra...Mark - do you mean to say "provisionality" <I>(n)</I> rather than "provisionally" <I>(adv)</I> in "The primary difference between the two communities is the matter of provisionally. Provisionally has two sides:...."?Brian Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06938619697698149146noreply@blogger.com