tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post6745764160011816363..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: The ACNA 28Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-92055559109536258522009-06-10T22:10:44.078-04:002009-06-10T22:10:44.078-04:00Thanks for the analysis, EmilyH, and sorry to hear...Thanks for the analysis, EmilyH, and sorry to hear about the Stand Firm business. I greatly appreciate that still, not particularly small, voice of calm of yours, not least in the howling of an SF tempest.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-38861641708532501792009-06-10T15:11:23.305-04:002009-06-10T15:11:23.305-04:00Mark, (Although it should be addressed to Urbi et ...Mark, (Although it should be addressed to Urbi et Orbe!)<br /><br />I wish if some of you guys, still in charge of congregations (Or still retaining some sort of authority over your teenager children!), would ask a highschooler to map in Google the ACNA churches segregated by affiliation... I believe the result will be most revealing about the kind of multi-clustdioconvocinternationspirit thingamajig that ACNA is all about.<br /><br />Any takers?<br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />Thomas+Thomas+noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-64218641020327719552009-06-10T12:38:34.980-04:002009-06-10T12:38:34.980-04:00Mark, the "Anglican Network in Canada" s...Mark, the "Anglican Network in Canada" should not be confused with the Anglican Church of Canada. These are mainly people who have left the Anglican Church of Canada, but have no further affiliation with it.Nom de Plumenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-80548564584184641882009-06-10T08:52:29.930-04:002009-06-10T08:52:29.930-04:00Having now been banned from Stand Firm (They and I...Having now been banned from Stand Firm (They and I, not surprisingly, would have a different take on why), maybe I can register some concern here regarding the "debate" there on how the ACNA is organized.<br />As I have stated countless times before, there is no force for union of these churches other than a common disgust with TEC. First, ACNA is trying to provide a framework of an organization that will accommodate the whole spectrum of Anglican theology, evangelical, low church and high church Anglo-Catholic. This has been a problem from the time of the inception of the CofE. (In the U.S.See Barnes, Albert The Position of the Evangelical Party in the Episcopal Church Perkins and Purves 1844 and Butler, Diana Hochstedt Standing Against the Whirlwind and Warren, the Causes and Cures of Puseyism 1847 as well as the history of the REC)and without a will to union for reasons other than opposition to TEC, there seems little to hold these diverse theological parties together, particularly given their "confessional" an impetus to splintering, focus. Second, their organizing principles do two things, concentrate power in their bishops and make it very easy to depart, withdraw financial support or change leaders. At the outset, there is the problem of how the bishops were appointed/elected, In the case of Guernsey, Atwood, Murdoch etc., these were nominated for their African consecration by Duncan (see Calvary case filing) and "elected" by none of their constituents. (On appointment, this is, of course, also true of Minns and Anderson.) There are others without a real constituency. Given that we are dealing with Americans which, at some point, for political/power reasons vs. the reasons of "mission" suggested, are likely to question authority, particularly authorities they had no hand in choosing, and the ease with which congregations can move (i.e. choose "authorities") ACNA seems to lack both the impetus toward or tool the tools for real cohesion. It also lacks the affirmation of the ACC and its bishops lack the "credentialing" invitation to Lambeth. EmilyHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-24327475138274952732009-06-10T01:05:58.679-04:002009-06-10T01:05:58.679-04:00Fr. Mark,
I think anon is correct and I was wrong...Fr. Mark,<br /><br />I think anon is correct and I was wrong. It is the umbrella for the pseudo Ugandan incursions.<br /><br />FWIW<br />jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-26315418045630855462009-06-09T21:07:09.000-04:002009-06-09T21:07:09.000-04:00I thought Holy Spirit was Ugandan parishes?I thought Holy Spirit was Ugandan parishes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-39893479114832840242009-06-09T17:44:28.614-04:002009-06-09T17:44:28.614-04:00I found a post that the incursion parishes under N...I found a post that the incursion parishes under Nigeria were to become the 'diocese of the Holy Spirit' where they are too thin on the ground to be a diocese. I don't have a clue what that means.<br /><br />FWIW<br />jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-43068797614339693482009-06-09T16:46:21.766-04:002009-06-09T16:46:21.766-04:00This set of overlapping, oddly named (in some case...This set of overlapping, oddly named (in some cases) dioceses, which mostly still identify with their parent organizations, doesn't bode well for the unity or success of the ACNA. There seems to be an unwillingness on the part of each constituency to risk what it has now in favor of the greater good tomorrow.Philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-83185232298704755852009-06-09T15:37:07.206-04:002009-06-09T15:37:07.206-04:00I wonder if the Dioceses of the Northeast and New ...I wonder if the Dioceses of the Northeast and New England have overlapping boundaries?<br /><br />The Church of the Good Shepherd (Anglican Church of Kenya) here in Binghamton had an Episcopal Visitation by the Bishop of New England in March.gerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09992216957664459649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-15186991076431448022009-06-09T13:34:26.388-04:002009-06-09T13:34:26.388-04:00Some of those "dioceses" still need bish...Some of those "dioceses" still need bishops; so it looks like they still have some purple left to pass around.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17550041790269387561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-44314535705443813972009-06-09T11:04:38.994-04:002009-06-09T11:04:38.994-04:00I also wondered about the Diocese of the Holy Spir...I also wondered about the Diocese of the Holy Spirit. What I found on line was a local church in the "free Catholic" tradition; but from their rhetoric and links, they don't look like ready fellow travelers with folks in ACNA. However, Anglicans Online shows on their "Not In Communion" page a Province of the Holy Spirit, which is "'The American mission of the Diocese of Katakwa, of the Anglican Church of Kenya.' Parishes in Georgia, Alabama and Florida."<br /><br />I wonder about the distinction between Forward in Faith NA (item 30) and the <i>Diocese</i> of Forward in Faith NA (item 12). Neither the ACNA document or the Stand Firm comments clarify any distinction.Marshall Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.com