tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post6815128155209754657..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: What did Bishop Duncan say? The Received TextMark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-63978573600100291612008-02-04T09:41:00.000-05:002008-02-04T09:41:00.000-05:00"This new AC may or may not emerge... there are lo..."This new AC may or may not emerge... there are lots of broken fragments and it is hard to see how they will be gathered."<BR/><BR/>The whole thing seems to be about enforcing whatever bits can actually be agreed upon - above and beyond what is already agreed upon amongst Anglicans, of course, by virtue of the Chicago-Lambeth Quadrilateral. "Gay people should not really exist, not really," would be one apparent area of agreement. The rest requires a leap of faith and an acceptance of diversity, something that has proven so challenging for so many to date. <BR/><BR/>Some, for example, will want to enforce a ban on women's ordination as a crystal-clear matter of biblical authority and Tradition; some will go along with that, and others presumably won't. Most will still pursue their dream of a gay-free church. But for some, this will mean actually trying to turn gay people into heterosexual people ("conversion therapy"), while others will be content to enforce closetedness and celibacy or - at the very least - lip-service commitment to celibacy. <BR/><BR/>In all of this, the diversity amongst those discontented with the Anglican Communion as it is now will - ironically - require a willingness to live in communion with those who differ in thought and practice on whatever is considered non-essential for fellowship. Apparently no easy task.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-81656772782208736962008-02-03T12:49:00.000-05:002008-02-03T12:49:00.000-05:00When I lived in Australia I was interested in Pete...When I lived in Australia I was interested in Peter Jensen's (Abp of Syndey) argument that the Elizabethan Settlement prevented the full Reformation of teh C of E. That the work of "orthodox" Anglicans is to complete the Reformation, i. e., the triumph of Sydney Evangelicalism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-39881950799341734322008-02-03T12:38:00.000-05:002008-02-03T12:38:00.000-05:00The "Elizabethan Settlement" was a mid-16th centur...The "Elizabethan Settlement" was a mid-16th century political compromise, not a settlement. From its inception it satisfied virtually no-one, from the Queen down (it took Lord Burleigh until the early 1590's to pry the jeweled crucifix from the Queen's altar and replace it with a Bible - the candlesticks stayed!) and the unsettled situation that it failed to control led to the English Civil Wars, the Restoration, the "Glorious" Revolution and the Hanoverian Succession. Some Settlement!<BR/><BR/>It also led to Massachussets, Rhode island, Delaware and Pennsylvania. I'll stop short there, without dipping my toes into the controversies of the 19th century. But definitely no Settlement.<BR/><BR/>Why is Duncan rabbiting on about something which has so little connection to the present situation? Elizabeth would have dealt with him in short order, judging by her order to Bishop Cox of Ely: "Proud Prelate, you know what you were before I made you what you are ; if you do not immediately comply with my request, by God, I will unfrock you!"Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-77449829214590167572008-02-02T23:46:00.000-05:002008-02-02T23:46:00.000-05:00"I’ve found that everything I write is used in a w...<I>"I’ve found that everything I write is used in a way it should not. So there is no text."</I><BR/><BR/>I'm wondering if Matt Kennedy made known to +Duncan that he was blogging verbatim the speech.<BR/><BR/>Don't you have to let people know you're doing that?Reverend Ref +https://www.blogger.com/profile/12608521436386973234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-8694635785132850542008-02-02T16:46:00.000-05:002008-02-02T16:46:00.000-05:00It seems to me that if as you say these points are...It seems to me that if as you say these points are in this report, it sounds as though he doesnt believe in the Angican Communion (I) - what he says we have failed in, is exactly what real orthodox Anglicanism is all about, as in the Elizabethian Settlement meeting at the table and holding ones own opinion. <BR/><BR/>One has to wonder if we are ready to move on to where he says we should be going, if we cannot bring forward those issues and views of the world upon which our communion is built.<BR/><BR/>I know the AC(I) isnt perfect but you dont throw it away and go back to the zero point because you think it isnt working.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02331739372829999136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1946059968172549242008-02-02T16:10:00.000-05:002008-02-02T16:10:00.000-05:00Stephen Toulmin in Return to Reason has an interes...Stephen Toulmin in Return to Reason has an interesting discussion about the Pact of Westphalia that is germane to this analysis of Duncan: it too has reached a terminus. And the consequence is a sort of nationalist anarchy. Toulmin's account is important and offers detail.<BR/><BR/>It amazes me how Duncan ignores the vestiges of the western heritage he breathes and drinks in the south that he so reveres.Mark Diebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17197749527182706761noreply@blogger.com