tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post7398845894159925745..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Oaths Taken in Strange TimesMark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-47068332937417025002007-12-14T16:21:00.000-05:002007-12-14T16:21:00.000-05:00Donna...the cult thing is indeed a real issue and ...Donna...the cult thing is indeed a real issue and I think the Church of Nigeria is right to ask that. <BR/><BR/>Is being imperialistic a cult practice? Hummmmmm.Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-57480886162907716472007-12-14T16:18:00.000-05:002007-12-14T16:18:00.000-05:00tb, bsg..."surely the same questions should be ask...tb, bsg..."surely the same questions should be asked..." Actually they were in my case. I was divorced and sought to remarry and had to go through a marriage tribunal in the diocese of Newark (this was in 1966). They asked almost precisely those questions, among other. I have asked the same of others seeking to be remarried.Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-61639258621810323612007-12-14T16:09:00.000-05:002007-12-14T16:09:00.000-05:00anonymous...please use some sort of name if possib...anonymous...please use some sort of name if possible... so that you and the three other anonymous(s) don't get confused. Thanks. <BR/><BR/>And of course it is always appropriate to ask if what is taught by a person who has taken the oath as we have it in the Prayer Book an Constitution is in line with what was pledged. As for the 39 Articles...We don't make a pledge about that in the oath of conformity, except for the trail that leads through "doctrine, discipline and worship" and from there through the BCP to the Historical Documents, and from there to level of commitment to specific articles.<BR/><BR/>You might be surprised to know that I used the 39 Articles as part of a teaching series in Latin America as a way of exploring the reformation struggles and the beginnings of Anglican identity. I don't consider them a museum relic... I don't consider them containing all or even some things necessary for salvation either. they are a lens through which to view some of the theological issues that form part of who we are as Anglicans.Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-62081679151102537952007-12-14T16:02:00.000-05:002007-12-14T16:02:00.000-05:00tb,bsg....I separated them because the Constitutio...tb,bsg....I separated them because the Constitution specifically requires the first. The others are required by the ordination service, although an ol fart like me didn't make these specific promises. Still I repeat them at the renewal of ordination vows. I agree they are of a kind, but the second are promises. The first is an oath of conformity, and is much more the sort of thing that are expanded in the various oaths taken in Nigeria.Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-83644171174639491072007-12-14T12:41:00.000-05:002007-12-14T12:41:00.000-05:00What's the deal with the oath about not joining a ...What's the deal with the oath about not joining a secret cult? Is there something going on in Nigeria that necessitates such clarification? I think it's good to avoid joining secret cults, it's just not the sort of thing we're usually that explicit about.Donna McNielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03332828457642739240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-11266839574213167772007-12-14T05:20:00.000-05:002007-12-14T05:20:00.000-05:00Oaths 1 and 3 are identical, mutatis mutandis, wit...Oaths 1 and 3 are identical, mutatis mutandis, with those used in the Church of England.cryptogramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08103991827347958855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-56601247580949951092007-12-14T02:22:00.000-05:002007-12-14T02:22:00.000-05:00I guess similar questions could be asked about cle...I guess similar questions could be asked about clergy who teach the bible is wrong on certain issued and the 39 ARticles are a museum relic.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-44898099973834895162007-12-14T01:29:00.000-05:002007-12-14T01:29:00.000-05:00Mark,This is essentially the same question I asked...Mark,<BR/><BR/>This is essentially the same question I asked in a recent post about John-David Schofield et al and the accountability vis-a-vis the Southern Cone.<BR/><BR/>In short, I agree with you. Who is to say what might justify breaking these new vows just as the old ones were broken?Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474786207149076221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-72507040923994237792007-12-14T00:20:00.000-05:002007-12-14T00:20:00.000-05:001) the questions at the examination are every bit ...1) the questions at the examination are every bit as binding on clergy of the episcopal church. i think it is wrong to separate them as you have done.<BR/><BR/>2) surely the same questions should be asked in the case of any remarriage after divorce. my suspicion is that they are not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com