tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post7965212770735051368..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: More on Alberto Morales, bishop elect in ACNA Quincy.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-28922907426208891222011-06-11T20:36:31.988-04:002011-06-11T20:36:31.988-04:00I will be priveldged to hear Bishop Morales preach...I will be priveldged to hear Bishop Morales preach this coming July. I am greatly looking forward to it. God bless him.Rodd Umlaufnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-91428948201496409042011-05-03T07:36:09.579-04:002011-05-03T07:36:09.579-04:00Why, oh why, does TEC care about the ACNA - you ha...Why, oh why, does TEC care about the ACNA - you have chosen to "stand apart."<br />To call the ACNA the "Church of What's Happening Now" shows both the contempt and lack of knowledge Episcopalians have for their fellow Anglicans.<br />I'll pray you can open your hearts and practice what my father said to me: "Assume the other guy is right."<br />Dave Backs, St. Andrews, Nashville, TN.<br />PS I just heard Bishop Morales first homily in our church last Sunday. It was moving, inspiring, Christ centered and humbling. You don't become a Bishop in any church by being average.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00295054585408533896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-34799902547984258422011-03-27T21:30:31.987-04:002011-03-27T21:30:31.987-04:00This gossip and whining is quite surprising about ...This gossip and whining is quite surprising about Bishop Morales. I've met him and talked to him, listened to a few of his sermons, and he is a very spiritual and mature Christian. They deposed him because he wanted to wear something? Yet it is OK to be Gay and start all that controversy? And why on earth do people from TEC care about ACNA? ACNA has nothing to do with TEC other than trying to defend our assets from TEC's lawyers. I cannot believe TEC would try to confiscate all assets from churches that want to separate. This fact alone shows the evil of greedy TEC leadership, possibly possesed by evil spirits, which they probably deny exists anyway. Please mind your own business please and leave ACNA alone. You've made your choices and compromised your beliefs for money and power. You will get what is due to you eventually, as we all do. It will be interesting to see how God deals with TEC. <br /><br />ACNA member.Robert Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-44138287231909538742011-02-08T13:28:40.013-05:002011-02-08T13:28:40.013-05:00Someone just alerted me to the comments you made a...Someone just alerted me to the comments you made about Bishop Morales. You should observe your own admonition about respecting your opponents although I am sure Bishop Morales would not consider you or anyone else an opponent. There is nothing of substance in either of the postings by Fr. Harris or most of his commenters. Fr. Harris is on the TEC Executive Council so what would you expect him to say about an ACNA bishop? Bishop Morales is a good Godly man and has helped many in the Bartonville and Peoria communities. It is hardly surprising that the Bishop of Puerto Rico has bad things to say about him for the same reason Mr. Harris does.<br />The brothers in the Benedictine Abbey have repeatedly elected Bishop Morales as Abbot and recently have been asking him if he could continue as abbot in spite of his new duties as bishop. <br />As for Bishop Ackerman he has known and worked with Bishop Morales for years and respects him highly. The real question is why are all these TEC people spending so much time trying to attack a good man? "There must be a story there somewhere." For that matter why attack ACNA? TEC has steadily declined in membership and income for 40 years. It is dwindling into insignificance. These comments are just so much hissing and spinning by nephews and nieces of Screwtape. From a priest of the ACNA Diocese of Quincy who is blessed to serve under Bishop Alberot Morales.Father Jim Fosdicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-81151996324407206412010-07-14T19:30:36.029-04:002010-07-14T19:30:36.029-04:00David |Dah • veed|, Dom Carlos has been dead since...David |Dah • veed|, Dom Carlos has been dead since 1961, so he hasn't had the wool pulled over eyes, other than a burial shroud.<br /><br />Any quality control issue arises with the conservative Patriarch whom I mentioned, the late Dom Luis. ICAB tried several times to project itself into North America. The initial effort, whihc occurred under Dom Carlos and is currently embodied in the Catholic Apostolic Church in North America ("CACINA") (see http://cacina.org/), has turned quite liberal and has long been disowned by its mother Church during the conservative reign of Dom Luis.<br /><br />Dom Luis had a history of aligning with and re-consecrating conservative Old Catholics and Independent Catholics as ICAB's new representative in the USA. He would then, sometimes soon after, revoke recognition, on account of some personal falling-out or some actual or perceived shortcoming. It appears that this Morales was one such representative du jour for Dom Luis.<br /><br />Again, I do not write to defend Dom Luis, his quality control over his representatives in the USA, or Morales, but rather to defend Dom Carlos, the validity of orders derived from Dom Carlos (which, for example, under Roman teaching lack the alleged "defects" in Anglican orders and are within living memory documentable from Roman orders), and (notwithstanding its conservative turn under Dom Luis, which may now be abating) the very non-backwater status of ICAB.David da Silva Cornellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-72392244671135991282010-07-13T10:32:23.515-04:002010-07-13T10:32:23.515-04:00David da Silva Cornell, what you say about Dom Car...David da Silva Cornell, what you say about Dom Carlos and ICAB may well be true, but it does not speak any better for him that Alberto Morales has pulled the wool over his eyes, as he has these bishops of TEC. Dom Carlos also appears to not delve into the "persecuted" pasts of wanna-bes.Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-55171613552786012932010-07-12T17:45:54.176-04:002010-07-12T17:45:54.176-04:00I think this is just the tip of the ACNA iceberg.I think this is just the tip of the ACNA iceberg.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-2721060921255272662010-07-11T16:38:26.209-04:002010-07-11T16:38:26.209-04:00I'm no fan of ACNA, nor, from what I have read...I'm no fan of ACNA, nor, from what I have read, of this Alberto Morales. But it's not warranted to characterize orders derived from ICAB (the "Igreja Catolica Apostolica Brasileira," Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church) as being "a backwater offshoot episcopal succession." <br /><br />Perhaps Morales' U.S. outpost of ICAB is backwater, but in Brazil, ICAB is a decent-sized denomination deriving its holy orders from Dom Carlos Duarte Costa, an admirable figure and former Roman Catholic bishop whose views presaged those of Vatican II and liberation theology. There was nothing "backwater" about Dom Carlos' Roman Catholic orders, nor about the orders of those whom he in turn consecrated, using the Roman Pontifical. <br /><br />See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Duarte_Costa and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Catholic_Apostolic_Church<br /><br />And with 800,000-900,000 claimed members in Brazil alone, ICAB is a little less than half of TEC's size, and larger than the 120,000 members of IAEB, the Anglican Episcopal Church of Brazil.<br /><br />Unfortunately, after the death of Dom Carlos, ICAB fell under a conservative successor Patriarch, Luis Castillo Mendez, but in recent years and with the latter's death, a liberalization may be starting in ICAB. <br /><br />So please, a little respect for episcopal succession derived from Dom Carlos.David da Silva Cornellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-91695337997937682972010-07-11T13:39:40.167-04:002010-07-11T13:39:40.167-04:00I remember Back in the Day reading the somewhat in...I remember Back in the Day reading the somewhat interesting but mostly sad tales of assorted "episcopi vagantes" -- probably Peter Anson's "Bishops at Large" and maybe also Henry Brandreth's "Episcopi Vagantes and the Anglican Church" -- I think originally written in the 1940's but apparently reprinted just a few years ago. One is tempted to sit all the CANA, AMiA, and other such folks down, make them read these books, and then write an essay in response to the following question: "Just what is it you don't get about this stuff?"<br /><br />(WV: "amenint." Amen, i'n' 't!)WSJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09712152737422347034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-48820089204740301702010-07-11T13:04:12.261-04:002010-07-11T13:04:12.261-04:00All I can say (rather dryly having observed the lo...All I can say (rather dryly having observed the local scene) is that ACNA clearly does not believe in background checks of any sort.Caminantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16610142955176992982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-29286468373309107992010-07-11T12:11:30.390-04:002010-07-11T12:11:30.390-04:00This guy sounds like a perfect fit for ACNA.This guy sounds like a perfect fit for ACNA.nlnhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-87586906537120231742010-07-11T11:46:12.929-04:002010-07-11T11:46:12.929-04:00Bishop Ackerman missed a lot of clues. I assume M...Bishop Ackerman missed a lot of clues. I assume Morales is taking over from Bishop Edward MacBurney who was temporarily in charge of the Church of What's Happening Now...excuse me, the ACNA diocese of Quincy.Bexnoreply@blogger.com