tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post8128372759343823185..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Bishop Minns moves on, up, and out.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-42288029094156128712007-05-08T00:42:00.000-04:002007-05-08T00:42:00.000-04:00christopher+, I would rather follow a Nigerian Bis...christopher+, I would rather follow a Nigerian Bishop who stands of the word of God, than an apostate PB like KJS. TEC are the ones choosing to break away from the COMMUNION. The Anglican communion is NOT do what you want as long as you don't force everyone else, it is staying with the one catholic church and move together as everyone agrees.John Galthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09771535006468368377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-67730038443766327542007-05-06T19:24:00.000-04:002007-05-06T19:24:00.000-04:00I just have 1 question... Did Akinola get a work ...I just have 1 question... Did Akinola get a work visa from INS before consecrating Minns? By performing the act of consecrating Minns in Virginia, he was <B>WORKING</B> on U.S. soil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-5207493372035647442007-04-27T22:20:00.000-04:002007-04-27T22:20:00.000-04:00Actually, I hope CANA *does* drop the "Nigeria" fa...Actually, I hope CANA *does* drop the "Nigeria" facade.<BR/><BR/>As a <I>Nigerian</I> bishop, it would be difficult to find a rationale to keep Minns OUT of Lambeth---assuming Rowan Cantuar wants to (I know, I know: an "out there" assumption <BR/>>:-/)<BR/><BR/>But <I>American</I> schismatic splinter so-called "Anglican" "bishops"? ABCs have been able to say "Thanks but no thanks" to *them* for YEARS!<BR/><BR/>So, who's up for a <B>Prayerful Vigil of Protest</B> at this wacky Hylton Chapel place? <BR/><BR/>[Heh: might even be time to break out the old Thomas Nast cartoon, of Bishop-crocodile Akinola invading our shores! Oh, right: BabyBlue would call *that* one, just like the ChimpPrimate Cartoons of a few months ago, "terribly, terribly racist", getting all her dunder up---and crying, um, crocodile tears! (She might even cite Bono <I>Yet Again</I>). Nevermind. ;-p]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-49732861262919921812007-04-27T17:23:00.000-04:002007-04-27T17:23:00.000-04:00The matter of whether Bishop Minns can be rector o...The matter of whether Bishop Minns can be rector of an Episcopal parish in Virginia - and use its property - without a license from the Diocese of Virginia will apparently be settled in court.<BR/><BR/>However, as a member and an official of the Church of Nigeria, Bishop Minns will only serve in ANY capacity on behalf of his new church as long as that is the will of the Nigerian Primate. <BR/><BR/>One must wonder whether the implications of joining the Church of Nigeria were (or are) fully clear to those Virginians involved. Bishop Minns and those who are part of his community now report directly to Abuja, Nigeria; they are, by choice, members of the Anglican Church of Nigeria. It is entirely likely that they no longer decide important things - like issues of leadership - quite as locally as they have done in the past. Over time, it will become clear that Nigeria really is in charge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-22686954837364698122007-04-27T14:01:00.000-04:002007-04-27T14:01:00.000-04:00Bishop Minns is the Rector of Truro. The Sunday w...Bishop Minns <I>is</I> the Rector of Truro. The Sunday was a celebration of Martyn and Angela and Rachel's faithful ministry among us - but he is still the Rector of Truro and will be until his successor is called.<BR/><BR/>Mary Ailes<BR/>Vestry, Truro ChurchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-88661987486707020672007-04-27T09:53:00.000-04:002007-04-27T09:53:00.000-04:00These folks are placing all bets on the notion tha...These folks are placing all bets on the notion that the Anglican Communion will ultimately allow itself to be hijacked and reconstructed in their image. Or perhaps they just hope to split off a "viable" enough chunk to carry on as they would like. <BR/><BR/>In any event, they clearly intend either to impose their will on everyone or divide the Communion; they have no interest at all in peaceful coexistence with anyone who disagrees with them. They blame this - again and again and again - on the duly constituted Anglican provinces of North America, but TEC and the ACoC have never tried to impose their will on the entire Anglican world, insisting that all conform or else, as Nigeria and company do. Amidst all this, it is well worth remembering that it is by no means clear that most provincial synods will ultimately accept the "presumptive legitimacy" of this Nigerian-led effort.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-20973034631792392492007-04-27T07:38:00.000-04:002007-04-27T07:38:00.000-04:00Cana will join the myriad other anglican entities ...Cana will join the myriad other anglican entities in the U.S. We have one called the United Anglican Church right here in upstate New York. It's a ranch house with a two car garage. The "archbishop and primate's" residence is presumably the house. The difference for CANA? $ and cheeky friends.<BR/>CSmithAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-42191303125299125352007-04-27T06:54:00.000-04:002007-04-27T06:54:00.000-04:00And lest we forget the CANA website clearly states...And lest we forget the CANA website clearly states it's relationship to the AC as follows:<BR/><BR/>"At their meeting in September 2006, the Global South Primates of the Anglican Communion, who represent more than 70% of the active membership of the Communion, stated their conviction that “the time has now come to take initial steps towards the formation of what will be recognized as a separate ecclesiastical structure of the Anglican Communion in the USA.” They are in close consultation with the Archbishop of Canterbury. The intention of the Primate of the Church of Nigeria and of the Missionary Bishop and other leadership of CANA is that it will serve as a transitional entity that may by God’s grace be a building block for this new ecclesiastical structure."<BR/><BR/>They are going forward as planned it would seem.C.B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17691002620980933111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-60577113788646724032007-04-27T06:37:00.000-04:002007-04-27T06:37:00.000-04:00Perhaps this is why we have yet another missive fr...Perhaps this is why we have yet another missive from ACI (just posted on T19)prodding the conservative bishops to accept the Tanzania plan as a gift. They see Akinola going forward to up the anty and to challenge the Primates to recognize CANA and its bishops as a diocese of the Church of Nigeria. In effect saying to the Primates, either kick TEC for failing to abide by the recommendations of the Communique or kick me out for border crossing -but you will have to choose. And if you do nothing - then what? Chaos?C.B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17691002620980933111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-64979929135484205122007-04-27T00:05:00.000-04:002007-04-27T00:05:00.000-04:00Ya know what I keep noticing? The break-away churc...Ya know what I keep noticing? The break-away churches in the Virginia describe themselves as being part of the "Anglican District of Virginia".<BR/><BR/>I didn't understand that funny turn of phrase until I realized that it easily permutes to the "Anglican Diocese of Virginia" - the counter to the Episcopal Diocese of Virginia...<BR/><BR/>I wonder though if it would have to be the Anglican Diocese of Virginia (Church of Nigeria) now?+Nicholashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08438350082586972258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-42617935910368805462007-04-27T00:03:00.000-04:002007-04-27T00:03:00.000-04:00Yes, it seems like this installation is to functio...Yes, it seems like this installation is to function at some indefinite future time as the a new North American Anglican Province distinct from the Episcopal Church, though that may be some time coming. I bet CANA's belonging to Nigeria--perhaps for a time as a diocese-like entity--should probably be taken as only temporary.<BR/><BR/>In effect, Akinola and Minns have almost created facts on the ground constituting what many on the Anglican right in this country have said they wanted: a parallel, really distinct Anglican province.<BR/><BR/>And it will not stop there. If step one is to set up what could function as a parallel province, step two is to replace the competitor, that is, the Episcopal Church.The Anglican Scotisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09715779952262032127noreply@blogger.com