tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post8331754362117091340..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Reflecting on the RC Document via Tobias Hallar and John BellairsMark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-55851185285840568562007-07-14T10:24:00.000-04:002007-07-14T10:24:00.000-04:00Tobias is probably right [he always seems to be --...Tobias is probably right [he always seems to be -- except about which way the president of the Eucharistic assembly should face ;=)] -- goodness knows that The Rat interfered at Plano to support Episcopal dissidents when he was head of the Holy Office!<BR/><BR/>Re: Bellairs -- another of my favorite things in St Fidgita is the picture of the synod with the bishops choking each other with their stoles & hitting each other with their crosiers -- displays the inward & spiritual grace as an outward & visible sign!<BR/>:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-31302342062072472202007-07-13T18:09:00.000-04:002007-07-13T18:09:00.000-04:00Thanks for the kind words, Mark. As a follow-up I'...Thanks for the kind words, Mark. As a follow-up I've just posted another essay that seeks to show how the recent RC document gives us more to do than just bemoan our "unchurchiness." I think it is directly related to the move for an Anglican Covenant. <A HREF="http://jintoku.blogspot.com/2007/07/what-has-this-to-do-with-us.html" REL="nofollow">What has this to do with us?</A>Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-89045723274942569622007-07-13T15:47:00.000-04:002007-07-13T15:47:00.000-04:00i'm still a little confused by why this matters so...i'm still a little confused by why this matters so much to you. we do not recognize the ordination of Methodist or Reformed clergy for the same kinds of reasons, and that doesn't mean we lack charity, or think they are all going to hell.<BR/><BR/>the RC position on Anglican orders is that we share a certain resemblance, but that we do not have valid orders, and therefore, an Anglican priest is just like an Anglican lay person.<BR/><BR/>you want this to be about <I>anglicans</I>, despite the document saying <I>nothing about us</I>, and it sounds like what is really exercising you is not its implied criticism of anglicanism, but rather, something about <I>your ordination</I>.<BR/><BR/>after all, confession to a lay person--even for Roman Catholics!--is a good thing; they do not think there is anything wrong with it, and while it isn't "sacramental confession", that's of no importance wrt Anglicans, since RC doctrine is perfectly clear that the forgiveness of sins is not dependent upon sacramental confession alone.<BR/><BR/>so what does it matter, what they think of us? it's not as vicious as you want to make it out to be; it's really quite similar to how we think of the Reformed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com