tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post8338333473730590603..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: The Killing of Those in High and Notorious Places: initial thoughtsMark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-68469572408716187782011-05-26T21:37:27.709-04:002011-05-26T21:37:27.709-04:00Mark-
Same to you on your recent birthday...
-Ho...Mark-<br /><br />Same to you on your recent birthday...<br /><br />-HooperHooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13582453784650696752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-22743451734515057082011-05-12T09:50:33.357-04:002011-05-12T09:50:33.357-04:00Hooper...good to hear from you! Happy birthday com...Hooper...good to hear from you! Happy birthday coming up. I agree that trial would have been a mess, not to mention where to keep him until hell froze over and / or how to execute him.<br /><br />But then nothing about this is easy, it seems. Necessary, perhaps, but easy, no.Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-81507102676445071712011-05-08T00:44:35.276-04:002011-05-08T00:44:35.276-04:00Hi Mark-
The problem with trying to understand or...Hi Mark-<br /><br />The problem with trying to understand or discuss the killing of bin Laden is that conventional morals and law just don’t apply. He was a mass murderer in charge of a worldwide band of mass murderers who are actively engaged in continued mass murder. Killing bin Laden was justice flavored with revenge, for sure, but also a heaping portion of preventative action. All in all, I believe last week was a bad week for bad guys, and a good week for the rest of us.<br /><br />Would it be nicer to have him in custody and put him on trial? Maybe, but I doubt it. We’d be seeing ten years of legal motions while he gets three hots and a cot, and in the end, some argument over needles being inhumane. <br /><br />Last week was also a life lesson in cause and effect. We learned is that if you blow up an airliner over Scotland, or fly airliners into buildings full of people, bad things might happen to you.<br /><br />Who knew?<br /><br />-HooperHooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13582453784650696752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-45976967791588768052011-05-08T00:41:58.204-04:002011-05-08T00:41:58.204-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Hooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13582453784650696752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-80965019469268066732011-05-08T00:40:39.795-04:002011-05-08T00:40:39.795-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Hooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13582453784650696752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-85489553096820232182011-05-07T07:26:38.302-04:002011-05-07T07:26:38.302-04:00"But most people, also in Muslim countries, a..."But most people, also in Muslim countries, are perfectly capable of differentiating between a terrorist who indiscriminately kills for no discernible reason and the killing of that same person by people who try to protect their country from future attacks."<br />Just like you all do vis-a-vis Israel.<br />AlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-70478606972460678812011-05-05T10:20:03.850-04:002011-05-05T10:20:03.850-04:00Fred,
I agree that many radicalised people will se...Fred,<br />I agree that many radicalised people will see the killing of Bin Laden as a terrorist act. But most people, also in Muslim countries, are perfectly capable of differentiating between a terrorist who indiscriminately kills for no discernible reason and the killing of that same person by people who try to protect their country from future attacks.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-8325424139408638022011-05-04T08:43:41.314-04:002011-05-04T08:43:41.314-04:00Erika,
I guess I did not make my position clear wi...Erika,<br />I guess I did not make my position clear with regard to the "jubilation" in the streets. I abhor that! A person was killed. John Dunne and all that but there should never be that reaction by us for any reason. And yes, when that happens you are right. BUT, the act and the reaction are two different things. <br />And yes, the killing of bin Laden would be considered by most, to be a terrorist act. Stop and think, if you were a Pakistani what other conclusion could you draw? What if al-Quiada had sent a small group of well trained, well armed soldiers to kill, say, General Patreus? It is a high profile act desined to strike terror in the hearts of anyone who chooses to do the things bin Laden did. And, one thing is very very certain, bin Laden will never mastermind another terrorist act.Frank Remkiewicz aka “Tree”https://www.blogger.com/profile/00501821790434895826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-38510909875674697212011-05-04T04:12:51.253-04:002011-05-04T04:12:51.253-04:00Fred
no, the killing was neither high profile nor ...Fred<br />no, the killing was neither high profile nor was it a terrorist act.<br />It was absolutely appropriate, considering that it turned out to be impossible to capture him alive and put him on trial.<br /><br />The mass celebrations are the problem, they are high profile, those images will be seen in Arab countries where they will radicalise people even more and encourage counter-attacks.<br /><br />And the only response to "That'll teach you not to mess with us" is usually "Oh yeah? Let's see about that, shall we".Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-163637423183842542011-05-04T00:08:40.312-04:002011-05-04T00:08:40.312-04:00Yes, officially released after debriefing the comm...Yes, officially released after debriefing the commandos involved in the mission, the story is that the commando who encountered bin Laden found him on the 3rd floor, his wife rushed the commando who shot her in the leg and then bin Laden in the head and chest. Bin Laden was reported to be unarmed.Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-35375564465071221582011-05-03T23:22:31.118-04:002011-05-03T23:22:31.118-04:00Bill,
with all duerespect, I think Obama hass alwa...Bill,<br />with all duerespect, I think Obama hass always been unarmed, but this is not to say Osama was <br />unarmed. ;-}<br /><br />And, Erika, would you not say that the killing of bin Laden was a high profile "terrorist" act? I beleive we did it for just that reason. Otherwise, he simply could have slipped on a bar of soap in the shower.Frank Remkiewicz aka “Tree”https://www.blogger.com/profile/00501821790434895826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-19231372977358891882011-05-03T16:32:59.134-04:002011-05-03T16:32:59.134-04:00BTW--the White House is now saying Obama was unarm...BTW--the White House is now saying Obama was unarmed. If this is so, can we conclude someone was prevaricating to justify the killing? If he was unarmed, then why wasn't he arrested?<br /><br />My remarks were predicated on the White House saying he was armed and resistant.<br /><br />BillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-24321646878420461102011-05-03T14:37:13.790-04:002011-05-03T14:37:13.790-04:00Erika--so, did Obama do this -- a 'high profil...Erika--so, did Obama do this -- a 'high profile killing' -- for political advantage?<br /><br />BillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-64088142463188356132011-05-03T14:35:46.525-04:002011-05-03T14:35:46.525-04:00Just out of curiosity, how would one arrest a man ...Just out of curiosity, how would one arrest a man determined to fight to the death; or be killed by his own if not otherwise killed? Is the morality of the impractical/unworkable a bona fide morality?<br /><br />We are not taliing about telling a bank robber to 'drop it or else.' This man was an established, ruthless, calculating killer, who undoubtably knew this day would one day come.<br /><br />BillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-11333723988642453932011-05-03T05:48:24.254-04:002011-05-03T05:48:24.254-04:00"Folks like Quadaffi and Hassan and the guy i..."Folks like Quadaffi and Hassan and the guy in North Korea, sure look differently on us today than they did yesterday."<br /><br />No, they don't.<br />The reality of terror is that it thrives on high profile events. There is nothing in the history of terror to suggest that this will do anything towards eradicating the roots and the passion of terrorism.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-84058050885735751822011-05-03T04:02:53.501-04:002011-05-03T04:02:53.501-04:00"It might have been better had he been taken ..."It might have been better had he been taken into custody, but probably that would only have put off his execution."<br /><br />To say that he would have died anyway is a moral problem for Americans. In other countries he would then be imprisoned for the rest of his natural life.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-63072922128273960532011-05-02T21:49:26.421-04:002011-05-02T21:49:26.421-04:00To all those who wage war, death is a reality one ...To all those who wage war, death is a reality one cannot escape, General George Patton notwithstanding. When one wages the kind of war where there are no rules, then to hope that the "other side" plays by the rules is foolhardy. One thing is certain, when the United States says it will find you and get you, you can be sure that is exactly what they mean. Folks like Quadaffi and Hassan and the guy in North Korea, sure look differently on us today than they did yesterday.Frank Remkiewicz aka “Tree”https://www.blogger.com/profile/00501821790434895826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-78300357604026587282011-05-02T17:54:52.492-04:002011-05-02T17:54:52.492-04:00Amen.Amen.it's margarethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13577280471100732619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-12610222646210503822011-05-02T15:47:27.513-04:002011-05-02T15:47:27.513-04:00There is report in the news that the US and NATO b...There is report in the news that the US and NATO both question the deaths of Gaddafi's son and grandchildren.<br /><br />Sometimes folks like Gaddafi and bin Laden cowardly hide behind family members, as is the reported case of bin Laden using his wife as a human shield.<br /><br />Or hiding military command and control centers in your home or the homes of family members.Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-5851929945644138652011-05-02T14:37:41.811-04:002011-05-02T14:37:41.811-04:00Well said, Mark.Well said, Mark.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-32850803192807283152011-05-02T13:37:03.430-04:002011-05-02T13:37:03.430-04:00Wise words, SirWise words, SirObservernoreply@blogger.com