tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post8803198646848993791..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Lutheran and Episcopal decriers not the same.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-62965845347850219132009-08-28T11:28:08.604-04:002009-08-28T11:28:08.604-04:00Mark, I'm your vintage as well and our paths h...Mark, I'm your vintage as well and our paths have crossed in those early days when I was ordained in Boston.On Thinking Anglicans I replied to a small matter on ELCA bishops in which I anticipated the eventual re-allignment of Christians not by denominational affiliations but by theological persuasions.<br />I think we both know TEC and former TEC clergy who are far more compatible with Baptist or Pentecostal or RC counterparts than their own 'brand'. We won't be alive to see it, but I truly believe that the church of the future will be cross-denominational alignments unlike anything we can now imagine. One of my reasons for thinking so, is the vast impatience and lack of interest in the current denominational uniquenesses and 'issues' facing our denominations [e.g. the gay issue]. I run across this in premarital preparation, confirmation/reception preparation [which I think should be dropped NOW] and other interactions with the current generation, including my own kids. IMHO we are headed for a post-denominational world. Call it syncretism, betrayal of our heritages or what have you, the attitudes I encounter in the present generation reflect how much of the early church faced local and regional differences [much of which has yet to get a proper hearing].Bob McCloskeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-32056319493064097082009-08-26T15:44:20.239-04:002009-08-26T15:44:20.239-04:00Kurt, the problems that ELCA folks have with going...Kurt, the problems that ELCA folks have with going to LCMS or Wis. Synod are women's ordination and open communion. Like ACNA.<br /><br />It is easier for a congregation to leave and go to another synod, because there are provisions for that in the canons. The bulding goes with the congregation.Muthah+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10589837671378205837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-10155350026122934602009-08-26T15:40:13.149-04:002009-08-26T15:40:13.149-04:00Mark,
ELCA decriers and TEC decriers seem differe...Mark,<br /><br />ELCA decriers and TEC decriers seem different indeed. Many ELCA decriers are really unhappy with the TEC/ELCA covenant. Some of them have some of the NeoCon tones to them, but not with the same virility to them that you find in Viagraville or T19. It feels more like the "Old Lutheran" or "Norwegian batchlor farmers" group rather than the young hot-eyed super Republicans that you find in TEC. <br /><br />I have found among the "black shirts" a catholicism with a capital C that I would never have thought. But with a fundegelical bent. It is a strange mix.<br /><br />But the ones that I encounter on list serves are more frustrated with how to continue the Lutheran line in the light of post-modern biblical scholarship. How do you proclaim Law and Gospel or Sola Scriptura in a post-modern world? And that is the conundrum that we all face.Muthah+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10589837671378205837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-2758122687319493002009-08-25T19:28:50.194-04:002009-08-25T19:28:50.194-04:00Mark, "The Episcopal Church: A Question"...Mark, "The Episcopal Church: A Question" is a very good presentation. Thanks for that.<br /><br />The "decriers" (TEC and ELCA) come up with similar lists of heresies and apostasies which appall them, but it's all nonsense, of course. They refuse to admit it, but it's really just about gay cooties.<br /><br />I agree that it is difficult to imagine the CORE group being very comfortable with the ACNA group. Poor folks, it's also difficult to imagine them being very comfortable in the Missouri Synod either, as Kurt suggests, and as for the Wisconsin Synod....<br /><br />Mark, I think you and I are about of an age, and we remember when we really did have heretics and apostates in The Episcopal Church (and I suppose we still do!). But by God's grace +Katharine and Jake and Tobias and you and I are not among them!WSJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09712152737422347034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-79895362565899644712009-08-25T09:35:45.568-04:002009-08-25T09:35:45.568-04:00 There has to be a lot more than just "di... There has to be a lot more than just "disliking" something to hold a faith community together.Rick+https://www.blogger.com/profile/03322574092020268536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-54357782051874875522009-08-25T09:31:00.750-04:002009-08-25T09:31:00.750-04:00I think those who wish to leave the ELCA will find...I think those who wish to leave the ELCA will find an easier home with LC-MS (Missouri Synod) or Wisconsin Synod that in some splinter Anglican group...Rev. Kurt Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11497143533527057579noreply@blogger.com