tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post9169782806399482276..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: So, let's get it straight...the Episcopal Church is here to stay.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-76203853646924190372008-09-05T00:53:00.000-04:002008-09-05T00:53:00.000-04:00Good catch, Holly. Yet another heresy from the pr...Good catch, Holly. Yet another heresy from the pretendy-orthodox.<BR/><BR/>BTW, Allen, which of these are you actually opposed to?<BR/><BR/>Goal 1: Eradicate extreme poverty and hunger<BR/>Goal 2: Achieve universal primary education<BR/>Goal 3: Promote gender equality and empower women<BR/>Goal 4: Reduce child mortality<BR/>Goal 5: Improve maternal health<BR/>Goal 6: Combat HIV/AIDS, malaria and other diseases<BR/>Goal 7: Ensure environmental sustainability<BR/>Goal 8: Develop a Global Partnership for DevelopmentMalcolm+https://www.blogger.com/profile/08469936715413110334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-75175112337937494072008-09-04T13:23:00.000-04:002008-09-04T13:23:00.000-04:00Allen, you seem to have a very limited view of God...Allen, you seem to have a very limited view of God. God is all knowing and all powerful. God is a part of everything. How could God NOT be part of the Episcopal Church.<BR/><BR/>Your last comment strikes me as heretical<BR/>DeniseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-61246721064702500582008-09-04T12:15:00.000-04:002008-09-04T12:15:00.000-04:00Allen, You have all those things in several declin...Allen, <BR/><BR/>You have all those things in several <B>declining</B> denominations. One of them, Rome, is led by a man who has said he expects to leave a smaller less inclusive church. The problem is not TEC's teaching. Your favorite things are important to you, but not to the society.<BR/><BR/>We could push the (err...) stuff you want taught. It would not change the demographics much. The reason some of the churches that have reconstituted themselves outside TEC have seen growth is not the success of their message, it is the tenancy to collect the dissatisfied from loyal parishes. There is only so much growth there.<BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-44634735947679764112008-09-04T11:34:00.000-04:002008-09-04T11:34:00.000-04:00Allen, if you are really exercised about the MDGs ...Allen, if you are really exercised about the MDGs (although why one would be opposed to them is beyond me), you'd do better to lay the blame at the feet of +++Cantaur, since I believe the impetus for making them a focus of the members of the Anglican Communion came from him, and not PECUSA.The Religious PĂcarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620636294081499041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-49828278970610377542008-09-04T10:26:00.000-04:002008-09-04T10:26:00.000-04:00"The next impetuous action of some out-of-control ..."The next impetuous action of some out-of-control bishop" who makes "nonsensical statement[s]" - like, say, the bishop of...Pittsburgh? or Ft. Worth? or Quincy? or (formerly) San Juaquin (or however you spell it)? Allen, Allen, Allen. You just can't leave it alone, can you? Just can't hold to your word and bid farewell. Can't refrain from utterly distorting what the The Rt. Rev. Dr. Kathine Jefforts Schori, Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church (which is here to stay), has actually said: e.g. preaching a gospel of MDGs (no, we preach the good news of God in Christ, which compels us to embrace the MDGs as a matter of being good stewards of the abundant resources with which God has blessed us in order to care for the least of these).<BR/><BR/>Your lack of integrity in keeping your word, the spirit of bitterness that you nurture by your incessant sniping, and your willful, intentional distortion of another's Godly position (in a word, a lie), dishonors the God you claim to worship and only reveals the self that you proclaim.<BR/><BR/>God is not a part of (and so does not bless) what you are presenting of yourself in these little comment boxes, Allen. Pray for your own repentance first, my brother, so that God may bless the fruits of your labor, 'cause right now your fruits are rotting on the vine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-44322027280769594172008-09-04T10:10:00.000-04:002008-09-04T10:10:00.000-04:00Allen, where in this cosmos that God created is Go...Allen, where in this cosmos that God created is God not present? Where is God's blessing inaccessible for those who love Jesus?Hollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10994700197780672448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-34245204789662330412008-09-04T09:19:00.000-04:002008-09-04T09:19:00.000-04:00On the issue of staying and leaving. I have been ...On the issue of staying and leaving. I have been for some time following the orthodox blogs. There are those who adopt the "inside" strategy and those who adopt the "outside" My thinking on this is the king's loyal opposition versus sedition and treason in the secular realm. Recently, on the blog Stand Firm, Fr. David Handy on the diocese of Albany made clear that he has been working as an interim in an AMiA church for some time and in part-time venues for sometime. He adopted the "outside" strategy sometime (10 years) ago and has been working hard for it. He was very clear that his sole reason for remaining nominally in TEC was financial, his pension.<BR/><BR/>Sometime ago, I tracked on +David Anderson and his changes in canonical residence, moving to either Quincy or Springfield, residing there for 6 months before transferring (presumably with letters dimissory) to CANA. Such letters seeming to be at the discretion of the ordinary of canonical residence...and bishops favorable to the issuance of such letters as a pass-through device. I am curious and would like to know if the Executive Council has addressed such issues or is planning to address them? EmilyHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-65317670642567208942008-09-04T00:55:00.000-04:002008-09-04T00:55:00.000-04:00...Here to stay.Great news for those of us who hav......Here to stay.<BR/><BR/>Great news for those of us who have been trying to keep our churches from flying apart.<BR/><BR/>...until the next impetuous action of some out-of-control bishop, some nonsensical statement is made, or another TEC autocrat brushes off objections by painting reasserters as ill-guided and bent on chaining gays to the gates of hell in punishment.<BR/><BR/>...here to stay, yes... but is it here to survive? Diocesan stats tell that story without fluff or spin. We need repentance evangelism, sound Trinitarian/justification teaching, and guidance to do acts of mercy in the name of Christ (unashamedly in HIS name - not in the name of the UN or the MDGs.) Anybody remember the 20/20 Vision, or was that too personal and pushy? Can't be any pushier than the heaps that we're having to swallow about SSBs.<BR/><BR/>God doesn't bless what He is not a part of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-64844358403625391962008-09-04T00:37:00.000-04:002008-09-04T00:37:00.000-04:00Yup. There it is, and always has been. Thanks for ...Yup. There it is, and always has been. Thanks for just laying it out there clearly, Mark.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com