tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post1107266120757392590..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: When the terrible, terrifying and awful happens.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-34918488855932830632015-01-10T08:16:51.445-05:002015-01-10T08:16:51.445-05:00Thankfully, very few reactive beings leave an acci...Thankfully, very few reactive beings leave an accident scene where they've just killed someone. They ARE the exception, and couching this as typical human behavior is taking an unrepresentative case as representative. Bishop Cook failed as a human in her reaction, and it was not because reactive behavior is typical. It is because she was driving with a .22 BAC and texting. We are all flawed, yes, but I for one do not think we should offer a "we are all flawed" defense for a bishop who had extreme misconduct, and who has not yet made a statement apologizing.Margaretnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-9416721312753564832015-01-09T16:47:48.220-05:002015-01-09T16:47:48.220-05:00Mark,
Now we read the tragic details.
To have a...Mark,<br /><br />Now we read the tragic details. <br /><br />To have a .22 blood alcohol level -- read 40 minutes after the accident -- translates into 8 or so drinks. At 11.00 in the morning.<br /><br />Could anyone be drinking this heavily without co-workers knowing? <br /><br />One can also wonder if diocesan committees are civilly liable. A .27 reading in 2010 and now this.<br /><br />Jim<br /><br />Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-73342413065161123672015-01-07T16:19:50.675-05:002015-01-07T16:19:50.675-05:00The Diocese is organizing a fundraiser.The Diocese is organizing a fundraiser.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-26831455308750058832015-01-07T01:40:21.631-05:002015-01-07T01:40:21.631-05:00Christina Brennan Lee - Do none of us have to take...Christina Brennan Lee - Do none of us have to take responsibility because anyone else can make such a mistake as we have? where does responsibility go for driving and not fleeing if one hits something or someone? <br />Because I'm an imperfect human capable of such actions, does that mean my former neighbor should not have been convicted and sent to prison for child molestation? If the judge were also a molester, should my neighbor have been let off?<br /><br />I completely agree that we also need prayers. We need prayer more than anything. But shouldn't we find someone guilty and in need of some form of punishment if they have done something wrong? And still pray for them. <br /><br />In a recent sermon, in November 2014, Heather seems to encourage us to be responsible. <br />She refers to being prepared not only for known events, such as weddings, planning for the birth of a child, drivers license test, but also unanticipated or unexpected things, "and if we're not ready then, it's too late to borrow what we need from someone else. The moment has come and gone, and it's too late if we don't have what we need." ... "If we routinely drive 55 in a 30 mph zone, we won't be able to stop on a dime if driving conditions get dangerous, or if an animal or, God forbid, a human being should step out in front of us." <br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2891576/Woman-bishop-exposed-hit-run-driver-fatal-crash-chased-confronted-65-year-old-bicyclist-came-forward-police.html<br /><br />Sallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17234053053774868950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-33550729851972416492015-01-06T23:31:15.480-05:002015-01-06T23:31:15.480-05:00John 2007 writes: I pray for her and would not say...John 2007 writes: I pray for her and would not say a word against her. Merton somewhere says s'thing like 'the saint knows no man's sin but only the mercy of God. And his mission is to bring that mercy to all people.'<br /><br />As you, Mark, have brought up the issue of responses that are reactionary/instinctive and not part of 'our cognitive or moral selves' I would--addressing this as a philosophical issue, apart from Bishop Cook--strongly suggest that we can't pretend that many of our reactive patterns are NOT products of our own choices and inclinations and affections over time. Nor can we segment the self into a moral self and a cognitive self--and any other self--that takes away all culpability from the reactive self you posit. Many so-called innocent mistakes (again, not focusing on this case) are far from that. A great example is found in a book by D Ford's The Shape of Living of a scottish surgeon who was handed the wrong bottle of anesthesia (in 19th c) and was acquitted of fault when patient died. One of his colleagues, however, said that a surgeon who had mastered his craft would have felt the weight of the bottle and would have known it wasn't ether, just by the feel of it. But this surgeon had his whole life taken short cuts and was brilliant enough to get by without learning all the intricacies of his task. And, one day, a lifetime of doing just enough to get by, proved costly. <br /><br />The sad case of Bishop Cook calls for a full dose of compassion. She, like each of us, is a child of Adam and Eve. Yet there is more than pouring out compassion to ponder prayerfully before God in our own solitude, for ourselves, and what we are shaping in our deep selves and daily selves ought to be a pressing question.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-4645758075696655952015-01-06T19:24:09.622-05:002015-01-06T19:24:09.622-05:00Well said. Thank you. We are all embedded in somet...Well said. Thank you. We are all embedded in something more vast and pervasive than one particular moment, for good or ill. It's very Pauline. Lord, have mercy. I was just reading an essay by Roger Grenier (Camus was his mentor) about "fait divers" - crimes and scandals that feed an odd public appetite, and he asks: "Where does the crime begin? In what confusing past does it take root?" And then he quotes Paul Valery: "The crime cannot be located at the exact moment when the crime takes place, nor right before - but rather in a well-established situation, distant from the act, developed over time..." Jim Friedrichhttp://jimfriedrich.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-50416969795825550442015-01-05T10:58:55.637-05:002015-01-05T10:58:55.637-05:00A few corrections: the Diocese of Maryland did not...A few corrections: the Diocese of Maryland did not host the bicycle event and did not create the fund for Mr Palermo's children. The event was the project of the cycling club to which Mr Palermo belonged. It began at a convenient place - the intersection where the Cathedral of the Incarnation has sat for 100 years or so. The Cathedral did make its private parking lot available to cyclists. I don't know if any of them used it. The diocese did not take any formal part in the event, but the Maryland Episcopal Clergy Association (MECA) did encourage its members to ride, stand on the sidelines, offer water, etc. and of course to pray, while wearing clerical collars - to show support for the event and the friends and family of Mr Palermo. The fund for his children was set up by the same cycling club, as far as I can tell. Thus, there was no need for the diocese to "check with the family about clearances for public events" - if there ever would be such a need. A public event is just that - public. Rest assured that the clergy and the diocese are behaving with absolute sensitivity to the family's feelings and needs at this time.Brother Tom+noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-65284262668917611772015-01-04T20:03:56.439-05:002015-01-04T20:03:56.439-05:00Mark, I have a question.
If I were in a position...Mark, I have a question. <br /><br />If I were in a position of responsibility in TEC in MD, the thought going through my mind would be: if we seek to host bicycle events, raise money, pray, etc, won't it just look like we are doing anything we can to avoid a major civil suit or criminal suit or bad PR campaign against us?<br /><br />I would have thought the way forward was to put on black and sit in the ashes like Job. I hope they checked with the Palermo family about clearance for public events. Did they?<br /><br />JimJimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-32140460102923372272015-01-04T07:41:14.192-05:002015-01-04T07:41:14.192-05:00Thank-you Mark- just thank-you.
Thank-you Mark- just thank-you.<br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05783912162459370943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-6723604079864156852015-01-03T21:31:59.325-05:002015-01-03T21:31:59.325-05:00Well said, Mark. Well said, Mark. Lisa Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00881671380217888810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-30007752369700081632015-01-03T21:28:35.628-05:002015-01-03T21:28:35.628-05:00Well said - so easy to throw blame and cast aspers...Well said - so easy to throw blame and cast aspersions as if by doing so we can believe ourselves incapable of such human actions. Prayers for everyone, even ourselves. Christina Brennan Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08010750265041698257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-16724390269184621802015-01-03T20:57:05.293-05:002015-01-03T20:57:05.293-05:00Blessed be!Blessed be!Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-26666539190865560312015-01-03T15:17:48.749-05:002015-01-03T15:17:48.749-05:00exacto. exacto. Leonardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16667415590825321701noreply@blogger.com