tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post114549531968424204..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Windsor Nosh #1: Four really bad ideas in the Windsor ReportMark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1145591900708398472006-04-20T23:58:00.000-04:002006-04-20T23:58:00.000-04:00Just to be clear, I think that this issue outlined...Just to be clear, I think that this issue outlined in Windsor and To Set Our Hope on Christ IS ONE of the important issues, ONE of the important calls of the church, I just see signs that he proportion of energy and time on this issue (to me) is unfortunately detracting from other worthy and concerns.<BR/><BR/>Susan Russell has a nice entry on her blog from Easter that outlines the work that a coalition of peace and justice groups hope to highlight at General Convention. <BR/><BR/>http://inchatatime.blogspot.com/<BR/>Susan Russell States<BR/>"It strikes me as an extremely hopeful sign that as we move closer to Columbus and General Convention 2006 there are faithful folks at work creating a proactive platform for a vision calling us to look beyond fighting over the unity of the institutional church to proclaiming the mission of the prophetic church: Alleuluia, Alleluia!<BR/><BR/>The Consultation Platform: The Consultation is a coalition of eleven independent organizations* in the Episcopal Church committed to peace with justice. We come to the 2006 General Convention in Columbus understanding clearly that the Episcopal Church is once again at a watershed moment in history. Now more than ever, it is critical to articulate what we believe and what we are called to do."Peter Careyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09006134824557299678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1145581739536287622006-04-20T21:08:00.000-04:002006-04-20T21:08:00.000-04:00Thank you. I've seen these concerns before, but n...Thank you. I've seen these concerns before, but not quite so clearly stated and expanded on.Anniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16953544682005776731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1145564926625174642006-04-20T16:28:00.000-04:002006-04-20T16:28:00.000-04:00'Cuz I'm walking away from,Walking away from thing...'Cuz I'm walking away from,<BR/>Walking away from things in my own past.<BR/>Walking away from,<BR/>Walking away from things that just won't last.<BR/>And I'm walking away from,<BR/>Walking away from things that move too fast. -Information Society, "Walking Away"<BR/><BR/>Not me, of course. I've been eagerly walking towards the Anglican Communion, wanting to embrace the Scriptures, and the creeds, and the Sacramaents and the episcopate. I wanted all that and embraced them into myself. But when it turns out there are parishes just down the road that want nothing to do with me, because I'm gay, it seems to like they already have walked away.<BR/><BR/>Their choice. I'm not particularly interested in stopping them.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01744626513934324151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1145540667945376552006-04-20T09:44:00.000-04:002006-04-20T09:44:00.000-04:00I'll just repeat what others have said—thank you f...I'll just repeat what others have said—thank you for this recent series of comments. <BR/><BR/>There are many issues our church needs to be focused on. We are focused on one of them now—full participation in the life and mission and work of our church by all those who've affirmed the rights and responsibilities of our Baptismal Covenant and who are otherwise qualified. <BR/><BR/>This is a high calling. It goes directly to who we are as a Church and as Christians. It proves that we live by what we preach and that we take seriously the Lord's command to love one another as He loves us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1145534396530945532006-04-20T07:59:00.000-04:002006-04-20T07:59:00.000-04:00Peter c said, "I have no idea of the mind of God, ...Peter c said, "I have no idea of the mind of God, but I, myself, grieve that we are spending THIS amount of energy on THIS issue while we are in an intracted war in Iraq, contemplating nuclear war in Iran, not being proactive enough to hold the various factions in Palestine/Israel accountable, as our social service agencies are getting cuts in funding, and as we very nearly made felons of a whole group of immigrants in the United States .... to say nothing of Sudan, the devastation in New Orleans, racial non-reconciliation, and all the other calls upon our time and energy!"<BR/><BR/>You are exactly right! And I am complicit in this foolishness. The only thing in my defense is that each Sunday, rain or shine, I follow church by standing on a corner in Lewes with 20 or so others in a Silent Vigil with signs naming the human costs of war and am involved with a small group here called "The Coalition for Tolerance and Justice."<BR/><BR/>But your comment jogged me to write something about American arrogance, which God willing and the spring day not calling me away, I will post later today. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for the high calling!Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1145531457188229682006-04-20T07:10:00.000-04:002006-04-20T07:10:00.000-04:00Your blog is making a valuable contribution to the...Your blog is making a valuable contribution to the present debate, and I hope that it is being widely read , not least in Lambeth Palace! <BR/><BR/>This series on the Windsor Report is most promising, if the first Nosh is any indication. I think you hit the nail on the head. Too much of the debate is going on at the level of those who have arrogated to themselves the role of parent, leaving the rest of us as the children. The result is that too much energy is being thrown at purely institutional and structural concerns, and rather less on what the Spirit is trying to say through the noise. <BR/><BR/>So I look foreward to reading the rest of the Noshes, and all of your future postings too.Country Parsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00336621966741216660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1145518905859282382006-04-20T03:41:00.000-04:002006-04-20T03:41:00.000-04:00Just a point. I read Amos as paradox. YES they wal...Just a point. I read Amos as paradox. YES they walk together, but not because of any other reason than that they are both heading for the same destination.<BR/><BR/>Roads are unsafe.<BR/><BR/>More so now, than ever in my lifetime.Göran Koch-Swahnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00925549945659350649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1145506168985563292006-04-20T00:09:00.000-04:002006-04-20T00:09:00.000-04:00This group of comments is just so excellent and I ...This group of comments is just so excellent and I really appreciate your discussion of subsidiarity and adiaphora in particular. To my way of thinking, some of these criticisms are not "out there" in the conversations enough. I do realize that some of your comments are very consistent with the To Set Our Hope on Christ document (I'm sure you commented on this document long ago, and I really should have looked for it on your blog...sorry).<BR/><BR/>Having heard recently from some of the authors of TSOHOC at VTS, I appreciate your futher elucidation of some important claims and assumptions from the Windsor Report that seem to have gone (somewhat) unchallenged.<BR/><BR/>I have no idea of the mind of God, but I, myself, grieve that we are spending THIS amount of energy on THIS issue while we are in an intracted war in Iraq, contemplating nuclear war in Iran, not being proactive enough to hold the various factions in Palestine/Israel accountable, as our social service agencies are getting cuts in funding, and as we very nearly made felons of a whole group of immigrants in the United States .... to say nothing of Sudan, the devastation in New Orleans, racial non-reconciliation, and all the other calls upon our time and energy!<BR/><BR/>Ok, that was a long rant, peace and thanks for all your reflections!<BR/><BR/>Peter, Alexandria, VAPeter Careyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09006134824557299678noreply@blogger.com