tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post1337553910611338714..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Anglican Curmudgeon and the noisy oppositionMark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-13698781444483624362010-11-01T10:19:06.078-04:002010-11-01T10:19:06.078-04:00Wording in titles can be tricky, especially when m...Wording in titles can be tricky, especially when mired in border crossings. When Bishop Iker and his followers left the Episcopal Church and were accepted by Bishop Venables into the Southern Cone, they opted to become Anglicans of the Southern Cone in the Ft Worth area, thus logically ending their claim to be the Episcopal Diocese of Ft Worth. Although no longer part of The Episcopal Church, they are still Anglican cousins through the Southern Cone. What could separate them totally from legitimate standing within the Anglican Communion is if they swear allegiance to the as yet non-recognized province called ACNA. Until/unless that province is recognized by the other provinces as one of them, ACNA remains a large new denomination in formation. Christian, yes. Anglicanesque? Yes. But different.Betsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679480944866739828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1362702302544894632010-11-01T09:53:15.994-04:002010-11-01T09:53:15.994-04:00There is a group of people in the San Joaquin Vall...There is a group of people in the San Joaquin Valley who consider themselves to be a diocese with John-David Schofield as their bishop. This group goes by the name "The Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin." There is another group of people in the San Joaquin Valley who consider themselves to be a diocese with Jerry Lamb as their provisional bishop. This group calls itself "The Episcopal Diocese" of San Joaquin. Mr. Schwartz and others do not recognize the legitimacy of the first diocese or John-David Schofield's status as a bishop. Mr. Haley and others do not recognize the legitimacy of the second diocese, and while they may not dispute Jerry Lamb's status as a bishop, they dispute his jurisdiction in San Joaquin.<br /><br />However, both groups exist, and are likely to continue to exist, notwithstanding the displeasure of the other group.Paul Powershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04833212693999583069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-51307843404993246792010-11-01T08:40:09.137-04:002010-11-01T08:40:09.137-04:00Geoff,
I am hoping you had more to that statement ...Geoff,<br />I am hoping you had more to that statement that what appears on paper? The only Anglcian presence in the United States is the Episcopal Church in the United States. The Episcopal diocese of Fort Worth and the Episcopal diocese of San Joaquin are but two examples. ANY "diocese" not within the "hugs" of the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church of the United States IS NOT anything, as far as I can tell. Mr. Iker, Mr. Schofield, Mr. Duncan, etal are dfeposed bishops who have NO Standing in any Anglican Communion by any name I am aware of and there is not one piece of paper or one piece of evidence that can be brought forward from the Archbishop of Canterbury that can prove otherwise.<br /><br />Any trollers out there think otherwise please bring your factual and independently verifiable evidence to this forum.Frank Remkiewicz aka “Tree”https://www.blogger.com/profile/00501821790434895826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-69661692260398922662010-10-31T23:10:10.358-04:002010-10-31T23:10:10.358-04:00Actually, there _is_ an Anglican Diocese of San Jo...<i>Actually, there _is_ an Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin ... and there is an Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth.</i><br /><br />Indeed - they just happen to be the same diocese!Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00324636915206892169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-58532782392768184152010-10-31T20:45:14.926-04:002010-10-31T20:45:14.926-04:00How many decades now has it been that the Episcopa...How many decades now has it been that the Episcopal Church has been at the brink of death?Counterlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345956180434795401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-87752134253680260142010-10-31T17:59:35.713-04:002010-10-31T17:59:35.713-04:00Mr. Powers,
How do you define Anglican -- the only...Mr. Powers,<br />How do you define Anglican -- the only recognized Anglican presence in the US is the Episcopal Chruch therefore the only recognized "Anglican diocese" is the Episcopal diocese of San Joaquin. The folks in FRsno are "living a lie' conjured up by a deposed bishop who is not recognized by anyone as anything other than Mr. Schofield.Frank Remkiewicz aka “Tree”https://www.blogger.com/profile/00501821790434895826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-84900595920942394842010-10-31T17:03:41.480-04:002010-10-31T17:03:41.480-04:00I have come to the conclusion that Mr. Haley's...I have come to the conclusion that Mr. Haley's blogging is part of his legal strategy, i.e., if he get enough Episcopalians to believe that litigation should no longer be funded, his client - and others - will have a better chance of winning.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-72643590483680985422010-10-31T13:44:01.839-04:002010-10-31T13:44:01.839-04:00Can it be possible that the direction TEC is takin...Can it be possible that the direction TEC is taking appears to some to be unconstitutional, and that they genuinely believe that? That introducing things like Title IV changes gives the PB power the constitution does not grant her? Many of us have wondered why 'liberals' would want such a polity anyway, as it hands enormous authority over to a centralized PB who is going to make things 'nimble'. That sounds like the opposite of 'empowering the whole church and it strikes many as well as unconstitutional. AJMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-80745041513501590082010-10-31T12:59:33.050-04:002010-10-31T12:59:33.050-04:00In church this morning I visited with a couple who...In church this morning I visited with a couple who had been members of our parish in Iowa a number of years ago, but who had moved to Texas. They are members of a (TEC) parish in Fort Worth, and they told me that although they grieve the loss of many from the Episcopal Diocese, those who have remained are healthy and well.WSJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09712152737422347034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-62122052504027302072010-10-31T12:27:44.793-04:002010-10-31T12:27:44.793-04:00The Roman Catholic Bishop of Fresno may dispute th...The Roman Catholic Bishop of Fresno may dispute the assertion that the only diocese in the San Joaquin Valley is the Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin and the only legitimate bishop is Bishop Lamb.<br /><br />Actually, there _is_ an Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin (much to the chagrin of Mr. Schwartz), and there is an Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth (regardless of whether Mr. Haley recognizes it or not). The more interesting question, which will probably need to be resolved in the current litigation, is which of the two is the continuation of the original diocese (and therefore entitled to the original diocese's assets).Paul Powershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04833212693999583069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-40409402632467626622010-10-31T07:40:55.440-04:002010-10-31T07:40:55.440-04:00Two weeks ago, our small-town parish confirmed or ...Two weeks ago, our small-town parish confirmed or received 34 people. The group was split between teens in our parish making their confirmations and adults who were coming to TEC from other denominations specifically BECAUSE they believe the Episcopal Church is living out the Gospel in the world.<br /><br />In other words, reports of our demise are premature. Wishing us dead does not make it so.<br /><br />Christianity will continue to decline in importance and attractiveness as long as people like Anglican Curmudgeon make it appear to be a religion of rigid rules and exclusion of the marginalized--in direct contradiction to everything Jesus says in the Gospels. While he goes about his business of trying to destroy a church of which he is no longer a member, our parish family--officially much bigger now than it was two weeks ago--will be getting on with our business...to love and serve the world in Christ's name.<br /><br />Pax,<br />DoxyWormwood's Doxyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10882756844690851674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-72242183059059764792010-10-31T00:41:31.931-04:002010-10-31T00:41:31.931-04:00Has the question been addressed by Mr Haley, who a...Has the question been addressed by Mr Haley, who apparently normally bills at <a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=23327221&postID=8644893675154524721&isPopup=true" rel="nofollow">$300.00 an hour</a>, as to whether or not he is working <i>pro bono</i> for the Schofield group?Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-59235705839663317612010-10-31T00:19:50.337-04:002010-10-31T00:19:50.337-04:00"The thing is, he is one of the lawyers for t..."The thing is, he is one of the lawyers for the John-David Schofield school of belabored Anglican purity, also known as the Diocese of San Joaquin, Province of the Southern Cone."<br /><br />Need I remind the good Father that there is NO SUCH DIOCESE. The only diocese in the San Joaquin valley is the Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin. The only legitimate bishop is Bishop Jerry Lamb and that John David Schofield is NOT A Bishop in good standing as he was deposed years ago. Furthermore, may I point out that if the Anglican Curmudgeon is an attorney for them he has NEVER won anything having to do with the Epsicopal diocese of San Joaquin. He may write eloquently about matters legal but when it comes to the litigation involving the Episcopal Church his record is no better than the Philadelphia Phillies in the NLCS.Frank Remkiewicz aka “Tree”https://www.blogger.com/profile/00501821790434895826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-75935647229278694542010-10-30T23:58:11.758-04:002010-10-30T23:58:11.758-04:00I have found it more productive and easier to pres...I have found it more productive and easier to presume good faith no matter how passionate the disagreement/argument becomes. Oftentimes, the solution will beome apparent after the passion has spent itself.Point of Orderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197275383322593717noreply@blogger.com