tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post2279632447476187501..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Revisiting the Realignment Timeline, just for a moment.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-16468159940061111882008-05-22T01:31:00.000-04:002008-05-22T01:31:00.000-04:00"Lower than a snake's belly" is a worn Episcopalia..."Lower than a snake's belly" is a worn Episcopalian joke referring to the so-called "low church" variety of Anglicanism. It is not an accusation of being low class. In this case, the high church Anglo-catholics of Fort Worth may be uncomfortable with the ultra-low church evangelicals of Southern Cone. We need to be cautious when using humor on the internet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-57549236177734959672008-05-02T17:48:00.000-04:002008-05-02T17:48:00.000-04:00Susan, read Mark's last paragraph again, for I fea...Susan, read Mark's last paragraph again, for I fear that you have fallen into the snare.<BR/><BR/>Our normally gentle host is giving a reason why, as mentioned in the previous paragraph, that +Iker & Co may not join the Southern Cone. But that is surely not an opinion that +Iker & Co would hold; that the folks at the bottom of South America are, after all, lower than a snake's belly. That is all Mark's opinion.<BR/><BR/>But, from his report of the trip with the TEC Executive Council to South America, I am sure in reality, Mark reserves that opinion for one asshat South American Presiding Bishop!Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-42865036180905140292008-05-01T22:14:00.000-04:002008-05-01T22:14:00.000-04:00David,Not that Mark needs defending, but i read th...David,<BR/><BR/>Not that Mark needs defending, but i read the comment about being "lower than a snake's belly" being something the folks leaving and aligning with the SC really think. I may be wrong(I often am) but that's what I saw.susan s.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03679099677585214433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-22396677104216447012008-05-01T21:25:00.000-04:002008-05-01T21:25:00.000-04:00Mark:Think more carefully about the CCP's "hot spo...Mark:<BR/><BR/>Think more carefully about the CCP's "hot spots." Our diocese, Albany, is one such: 97 of its 116 churches (85%) are flagged on the CCP map. However, of 815 parishes in seven neighboring dioceses, only 18 -- 2% -- belong to the Network and CCP. Pittsburgh's "hot spot" is also surrounded by CCP-poor dioceses.<BR/><BR/>When dioceses went "Network" in 2003-4, the Network laid claim to all of their parishes. To get out required an effort, which few vestries made.<BR/><BR/>Albany Via Media is encouraging our parishes to visit the CCP site, read about Common Cause, and decide for themselves whether they belong on its map. Several parishes have already bailed out: A week ago, the count was 102 parishes (88%) for CCP. It's a start...<BR/><BR/>Unless a parish or individual has decided ON ITS OWN to join an organization other than the Episcopal Church, that organization has no right to claim it. To do so is dishonest.<BR/><BR/> Robert DoddAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-2279075658499621782008-05-01T17:51:00.000-04:002008-05-01T17:51:00.000-04:00Mark, I think someone hit one of your buttons toda...Mark, I think someone hit one of your buttons today. You are much more vitriolic than usual.<BR/><BR/>You all keep speaking of a new Anglican entity for North America as if the rest of us are not here, and so do not count. It is obvious the new entity is for the US & Canada. There are three other Anglican provinces represented in North America, however poor and struggling we may be; the Anglican Church of Mexico, firmly aligned with TEC, the Anglican Church in the Central Region of America, which likes to refer to itself as the Global Center and the Church in the Province of the West Indies, whose soon-to-retire Primate aligns himself mostly with the Global South.<BR/><BR/>Most of us are too busy keeping a roof over our heads, food on the table and reaching out to make sure our neighbors have the same, as Jesus taught us, to be aware of the arguments of the wealthy provinces of the Communion. As are our latin siblings in TEC dioceses in Central & South America, the Anglican Episcopal Church of Brazil and the Anglican Church of the Southern Cone of the Americas. Some leaders in the Southern Cone may be lower than a snakes belly, but certainly not the folks in the parishes kept mostly in the dark about their Presiding Bishop's globe hoping.Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-29323829365620159102008-05-01T15:52:00.000-04:002008-05-01T15:52:00.000-04:00It seems pretty clear that Canada will not be inst...It seems pretty clear that Canada will not be institutionally distinct in this "provisional province." Expect to see a diocese of Canada, with the bulk of its congregations in the BC lower mainland.Malcolm+https://www.blogger.com/profile/08469936715413110334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-12710228245810257792008-05-01T15:44:00.000-04:002008-05-01T15:44:00.000-04:00"A very spiffy visual presentation of the process"..."A very spiffy visual presentation of the process" indeed! I notice that the claim is made that "The Episcopal Church is departing from Christianity." Has anyone told Jesus? Do we have a spiffy sound bite from Jesus about this?WSJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09712152737422347034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-12200826251124914562008-05-01T15:25:00.000-04:002008-05-01T15:25:00.000-04:00Zooming in on the hotspots is interesting. It loo...Zooming in on the hotspots is interesting. It looks like (and I could be off in my count) that the hot spot of Southern California is 9 parishes in the San Diego area and 17 or so in the LA/Orange County/Riverside/Santa Barbara area. TEC congregations in the LA+ area are over 100 and I think around 50 in San Diego.<BR/><BR/>Pam AlgerPamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196106878579595375noreply@blogger.com