tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post4353733299950676503..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: More on the Pledge to the LeaderMark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-79865137372857436172007-03-20T21:59:00.000-04:002007-03-20T21:59:00.000-04:00Dear troll, I asked you a question. All you did w...Dear troll, I asked you a question. All you did was cut and paste a bunch of right wing rhetoric from somewhere else.<BR/><BR/>Why didn't you address my question? <BR/><BR/>Could it be that you have absolutely no idea what my partner of 36 years and I are doing to harm each other? <BR/><BR/>And could it be, as the old saying goes, that fools rush in where angels fear to tread? <BR/><BR/>Perhaps you should just go back to drooling in private.Mike in Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12324396563818549026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-25573348431279205722007-03-20T20:33:00.000-04:002007-03-20T20:33:00.000-04:00It's time some people really started obsessing abo...It's time some people really started obsessing about this kind of thing; the indifference is staggering. We're talking about God's precious sons and daughters There are exceptions but the general result of gay sex is as follows (with sources noted):<BR/><BR/>Seven types of venereal disease, nine types of liver ailments (e.g., hepatitis), and 10 types of trauma (e.g., fecal incontinence). That adds up to 26 non-AIDS diseases. JOURNAL OF ADOLESCENT MEDICINE<BR/><BR/>Reviews of the medical literature, including one that covered the findings of 20 different medical journals, concluding that “homosexual men are at particularly high risk of acquiring hepatitis B” and then it listed 10 other diseases. One doctor, in his discussion of the non-AIDS diseases, cites scholarly articles from 27 medical journals. E.G., THE NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE AND THE JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION. <BR/><BR/>The exclusivity of the relationship did not diminish the incidence of unhealthy sexual acts, which are commonplace among homosexuals. An English study published in the journal AIDS concurred, finding that most "unsafe" sex acts among homosexuals occur in steady relationships. AIDS (A JOURNAL)<BR/><BR/>Human Papillomavirus (HPV).( More than twenty types of HPV are incurable STDs that can infect the genital tract of both men and women.) A San Francisco study of Gay and bisexual men revealed that HPV infection was almost universal among HIV-positive men, and that 60 percent of HIV-negative men carried HPV. THE HOMOSEXUAL NEWSPAPER THE WASHINGTON BLADE<BR/><BR/>Hepatitis A:: "Outbreaks of hepatitis A among men who have sex with men are a recurring problem in many large cities in the industrialized world."Hepatitis B: The CDC reports that MSM are at increased risk for hepatitis B. Hepatitis C Although less so than with hepatitis A and B, MSM who engage in unsafe sexual practices remain at increased risk for contracting hepatitis C. THE MORTALITY AND MORBIDITY WEEKLY REPORT PUBLISHED BY THE CDC<BR/><BR/>Proctitis and Proctocolitis are inflammations of the rectum and colon that cause pain, bloody rectal discharge and rectal spasms. Proctitis is associated with STDs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and syphilis widespread among homosexuals. HEALTH IMPLICATIONS + THE SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE INFORMATION CENTER OF THE JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION<BR/><BR/>While the incidence of anal cancer in the United States is only 0.9/100,000, that number soars to 35/100,000 for homosexuals. That rate doubles again for those who are HIV positive. DR. JOEL PALEFSKY, A LEADING EXPERT IN THE FIELD OF ANAL CANCER<BR/><BR/>A study of the medical records of 1,408 lesbians found that women who have sexual relations with women are at significantly higher risk for certain sexually transmitted diseases: "We demonstrated a higher prevalence of BV (bacterial vaginosis), hepatitis C, and HIV risk behaviors in WSW as compared with controls.” SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED INFECTIONS<BR/><BR/>-- The supposedly terrible TrollAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-75400911160791249552007-03-20T19:06:00.000-04:002007-03-20T19:06:00.000-04:00Anon, I can't imagine what compels people like you...Anon, I can't imagine what compels people like you to obsess over what people do in bed.<BR/><BR/>But since that seems to be your thing, please do share with everyone what my partner of 36 years and I are doing to harm one another.Mike in Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12324396563818549026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-62816344331823262422007-03-20T18:10:00.000-04:002007-03-20T18:10:00.000-04:00About the ex-gays: You might have noticed about t...About the ex-gays:<BR/> You might have noticed about the two longer testimonies on this thread that neither claimed to have moved into a heterosexual orientation. It's basically beside the point. The real point is that both have moved beyond behavior that is harmful to themselves and potential partners.<BR/> -- The TrollAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-11214066341143185852007-03-20T17:34:00.000-04:002007-03-20T17:34:00.000-04:00Another study came out around the same time as the...Another study came out around the same time as the Spitzer study. If you've watch the video linked above, you'll see how this study supports what Robert Sptizer actually said, and not the gross misrepresentations of Spitzer's work by the religious ocnservatives. <BR/><BR/>The other study is the work of Michael Schroeder and Ariel Shidlo, Out of a sample of 202 people who met the criteria laid down (that they were initially primarily gay), the following facts emerged: <BR/><BR/>1) Many of the therapists were behaving unethically. For example 1/4 of those who had been through the treatments had been pressured into joining, almost none of those who felt it wasn't working were given advice on alternative counseling, and most were misled about the position of the APAs and about the supposed success rates of 'ex-gay' treatments. <BR/><BR/>2) Most patients go through an initial 'honeymoon' with the 'ex-gay' movement, followed later by disillusion. <BR/><BR/>3) Because of the hostility and lack of support by most 'ex-gay' therapists to 'failures', most patients continued to lie to their therapists about their progress. This is almost certainly the reason why Exodus and Narth therapists continue to claim 30-50% success rates, when outsiders find much less. <BR/><BR/>4) Based on self-reporting by the patients to Schroeder and Shidlo, 14% did manage long-term to either greatly reduce or completely stop homosexual practices. Of these, 5% were 'struggling'. Another 5% reported being reasonably happy (almost all of this group were celibate). <BR/><BR/>5) Only 4% (i.e. 8 patients) reported a shift in sexual orientation from 5 or more to 3 or less on a 1-7 scale of hetero/homosexual balance. Of these - the only ones who could perhaps be classified as 'ex-gays' - 7 out of 8 put down as occupation that they were 'ex-gay' counselors. The eighth person refused a follow-up interview. Obviously there is a serious conflict of interest/secondary gain issue among this group. <BR/><BR/>References: <BR/><BR/>A.Shidlo and M.Schroeder (2002): 'Changing Sexual Orientation: A Consumers' Report'. Professional Psychology, Records and Practice 2002 vol 33 248-259 <BR/><BR/>M.Schroeder and A.Shidlo (2001): 'Ethical Issues in Sexual Orientation Conversion Therapies: An Empirical Study for Consumers'. Journal of Gay and Lesbian Psychotherapy 5(3/4), 2001. Haworth PressMike in Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12324396563818549026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-27870892022043386882007-03-20T17:15:00.000-04:002007-03-20T17:15:00.000-04:00Hear what Roberts Spitzer has to say in his own wo...Hear what Roberts Spitzer has to say in his own words.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwE6_dLweYo" REL="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwE6_dLweYo</A>Mike in Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12324396563818549026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-87686020316296448732007-03-20T14:40:00.000-04:002007-03-20T14:40:00.000-04:00I forgot the rally - I'm stuck at home recovering ...I forgot the rally - I'm stuck at home recovering from surgery. Thanks, Frank. Mark, you're our hero. Come home soon.<BR/>LoisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-56786502218525220342007-03-20T12:06:00.000-04:002007-03-20T12:06:00.000-04:00Just a suspicion, Mark may have attended the anti-...Just a suspicion, Mark may have attended the anti-war rally in D.C.<BR/><BR/>Hope he's not in jail somewhere.<BR/><BR/>...and I hope he is not ill.-frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15065107773031033288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-71000167491646974752007-03-20T10:21:00.000-04:002007-03-20T10:21:00.000-04:00Actually, folks, I'm worried, because Mark has alw...Actually, folks, I'm worried, because Mark has always interceded in cases like this latest troll, including the ban Jake recommends. I hope Mark is not ill.<BR/>Lois KeenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-7721017411091656212007-03-20T09:42:00.000-04:002007-03-20T09:42:00.000-04:00Jake is going to use this as an example of what ha...Jake is going to use this as an example of what happens when you don't delete and ban. I wish everyone would do that. People like Jake are like Dracula, who couldn't stand to have a crucifix flashed at him. Truth has this way of repelling certain people so strongly that they must "delete" those very people. This whole thread is the perfect example. Hardly any replies about substance -- only namecalling, threats of harm and deletion, etc. Long live Truth! The truth that can and WILL save those who are urgently needing to be rescued from a way of death.<BR/> -- The TrollAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-91131999765120768822007-03-20T09:07:00.000-04:002007-03-20T09:07:00.000-04:00Mark - Katherine Grieb's presentation to the HBs o...Mark - Katherine Grieb's presentation to the HBs on the covenant is available at T19. An absolute must read.<BR/><BR/>Says we are being steamrolled. The Covenant is in effect already. We can tell how it will be interpreted by the Communique. A crisis is being created by the Primates who are angry and want control over TEC. <BR/><BR/>She called for a Special Convention in order to have a 5 year fast from the AC, so that we can determine ourselves in our time what to do.<BR/><BR/>She says - "But we might remember that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters have long lived in exile and it will be a great privilege to go into exile in their company."<BR/><BR/>It is clear, savy, eloquent and quite moving.C.B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17691002620980933111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-36108440710779753372007-03-19T23:43:00.000-04:002007-03-19T23:43:00.000-04:00Hey Mark,I've had to ban this guy a few times...he...Hey Mark,<BR/><BR/>I've had to ban this guy a few times...he usually gives up after a few days.<BR/><BR/>And folks wonder why I'm so quick to use delete and ban...sheesh!<BR/><BR/>I think I'll bookmark this thread as an example of what happens when you don't!Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13579571802576738609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-87985501611837553642007-03-19T22:37:00.000-04:002007-03-19T22:37:00.000-04:00What I'm doing is playing to the reader who is try...What I'm doing is playing to the reader who is trying to be open-minded and objective. This has been a victory for truth, because it's obvious that the best its opponents can do is engage in namecalling.<BR/><BR/>-- the TrollAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-48108052092417199432007-03-19T22:35:00.000-04:002007-03-19T22:35:00.000-04:00All right, dr j, I looked up Dr. Spitzer. Turns ou...All right, dr j, I looked up Dr. Spitzer. Turns out that while he is the author of a controversial study regarding sexual orientation, he specifically does not think that homosexuality is a choice, nor does he think changing one's orientation is at all common. He says that the Christian right (that would be you, by the way) have twisted his study for their own ends. For that matter, I couldn't come up with anything characterizing him as a "gay activist." You wouldn't be trying to mislead us, would you?<BR/><BR/>BillyDThe Religious Pícarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620636294081499041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-33340077003005865792007-03-19T21:41:00.000-04:002007-03-19T21:41:00.000-04:00What an utterly depressing day in blogland.I'll pr...What an utterly depressing day in blogland.<BR/><BR/>I'll pray for you Troll.<BR/><BR/>I'll pray for you too Mark. I'll pray this nonsense ends.episcopalifemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18092579249862725163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-77172293284385374802007-03-19T18:57:00.000-04:002007-03-19T18:57:00.000-04:00On the subject of what is "statistically insignifi...On the subject of what is "statistically insignificant":<BR/><BR/>Among gay people, only a small percentage have partners. Out of that group, only a small percentage have long-term partners. Out of that group, only a really small percentage practice fidelity. (And among them, there is no reason to think that their bahavior is safe just because only one partner is involved.)<BR/><BR/>-- The TrollAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-86104780449898387192007-03-19T17:17:00.000-04:002007-03-19T17:17:00.000-04:00Troll, posting something that long once was once t...Troll, posting something that long <B>once</B> was once too many times. Leave a comment, not a novel.<BR/><BR/>Asking your opponents to read something that long in a comments section is a presumption on their time and patience. Posting it simply to preach to the choir of those who agree with you is just tacky.The Religious Pícarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620636294081499041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-55970114546989034272007-03-19T17:08:00.000-04:002007-03-19T17:08:00.000-04:00If being concerned about the immense suffering of ...If being concerned about the immense suffering of a very large number of people amounts to an obsession, I plead guilty. It shouldn't be termed "bizarre" however.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, I only posted the trial transcript once. Someone else must have cut and pasted it to make it repeat.<BR/><BR/>Also, if there is something wrong with that piece that starts off talking about the bookstore, would someone please inform me what that is?<BR/><BR/>-- The TrollAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-82141051249652578402007-03-19T17:04:00.000-04:002007-03-19T17:04:00.000-04:00For crying out loud, Troll, if you want to write i...For crying out loud, Troll, if you want to write items this long, get your own blog or contact a vanity publishing company. I started to read your posting, but soon lost interest. If you'll note, the instructions say "Leave your <B>comment</B>."<BR/><BR/>BillyDThe Religious Pícarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620636294081499041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-12685022293118891792007-03-19T16:35:00.000-04:002007-03-19T16:35:00.000-04:00yawner,there's the issue of a) underreporting beca...yawner,<BR/><BR/>there's the issue of a) underreporting because of stigma, and b) underreporting because people don't know they're gay. these days, the issue of stigma is gradually being reduced, and people are coming out earlier. however, it's not going to be possible to get a true value for sometime.<BR/><BR/>that said, I do perceive a politically-based incentive to inflate the proportion of gay people. which in the end is not necessary - discrimination is discrimination no matter what the percentage.Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17851789276439393822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-84535612266656369742007-03-19T16:34:00.000-04:002007-03-19T16:34:00.000-04:00This fact is too serious to be reduced to an obsce...<I>This fact is too serious to be reduced to an obscene insult.</I><BR/><BR/>Then it is also too serious to be reduced to some pathetic netkook's bizarre obsession.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-34485047852665399072007-03-19T15:53:00.000-04:002007-03-19T15:53:00.000-04:00Then why not follow up with the ISP of the one usi...Then why not follow up with the ISP of the one using obscenely absusive characterizations? <BR/><BR/>The specific reference of the obscenity is a reference to the abundantly documented fact that when the human body is used sexually in ways the Lord didn't design it for, then enormous and multifarious forms of suffering result. This fact is too serious to be reduced to an obscene insult.<BR/>-- the Troll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-77199920026674877762007-03-19T14:25:00.000-04:002007-03-19T14:25:00.000-04:00OK, I don't know how to post links. But you can g...OK, I don't know how to post links. But you can go to snopes for one link:<BR/><BR/>www.snopes.com/science/stats/populate.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-89804958377946709672007-03-19T14:24:00.000-04:002007-03-19T14:24:00.000-04:00weiwen,No, the estimates that 5-10% of the populat...weiwen,<BR/><BR/>No, the estimates that 5-10% of the population is LGBT are wrong. It is indeed in the 2-3% range by all credible sources. One link is here:<BR/><BR/>http://web.archive.org/web/20011230090803/http://www.allaboutsex.org/KidsSpeakOut_Display.cfm?INDEX=5098<BR/><BR/>You can easily find others if you so choose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-1892866873230415612007-03-19T13:38:00.000-04:002007-03-19T13:38:00.000-04:00Fr. Mark,A couple things. I think you should foll...Fr. Mark,<BR/><BR/>A couple things. I think you should follow up with the troll's provider. If nothing else, the conservatives tell us bad conduct must be dealt with appropriately.<BR/><BR/>Beyond that, however, I notice with some amusement that the immoderator and the other rightwing types tell us, when it is convieniant, all about how this current issue is not about homosexuality. +Schofield made that point, repeatedly, in a recent interview. Um, yeah and what is our troll focused on?<BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.com