tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post5977267473128910335..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Ted Yumoto, Executive Council and his choices.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-45899484521514041042008-02-05T01:30:00.000-05:002008-02-05T01:30:00.000-05:00My question would be whether a Bishop could canoni...My question would be whether a Bishop could canonically 'dismiss' members of a duly elected standing committee. Perhaps he could, under the canons of the Southern Cone -- but could that happen in TEC? Hard to believe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-22699447774011914202008-01-27T16:43:00.000-05:002008-01-27T16:43:00.000-05:00Mark, I believe you are correct in your assessment...Mark, I believe you are correct in your assessment of Ted's position. But I believe you are also correct in your contention that the basis of his removal from the Executive Council should not be how he voted on certain questions at the December diocesan convention, but, rather, on his subsequent behavior. I hope that others, especially the Presiding Bishop, apply a similar standard to those caught up in the San Joaquin maelstrom. Her letter to the members of the SJ Standing Committee is troubling because she is either penalizing them for the way they voted at convention (which can only be by hearsay evidence), or is manufacturing "acts" of the Standing Committee which have never been taken.Daniel Martinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15980949721733826978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-45847822339372663972008-01-26T17:34:00.000-05:002008-01-26T17:34:00.000-05:00Fr. Mark,Point taken. I don't think the simple fa...Fr. Mark,<BR/><BR/>Point taken. I don't think the simple fact that he voted for or against something is per se a reason. But(!) when the vote effectivly says to TEC "I have no need of you" (how Biblical is that?!?) then the situation is what it is.<BR/><BR/>As I noted, a time to weep.<BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-18473721162861896012008-01-26T15:26:00.000-05:002008-01-26T15:26:00.000-05:00Bruno and jim...I hope you understand... I believe...Bruno and jim...I hope you understand... I believe Ted has indeed left and needs to be replaced on Ex. Council. My concern is that it not be because of the vote in December but because of precisely the facts that Ann and Jim state...that he has given every indication that he is part of Bishop Schofield's group now part of the Province of the Southern Cone.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me important that we clearly exclude him on the basis of having left the Province, rather than on a vote. I have occasionally voted the wrong way or out of stupidity (gasp!) and suppose that those who elected me might hold me to account the next time there is an election. But that is different from holding me accountable to the specifics of the canon - namely that I am part of the Province.Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-2221324580234981812008-01-26T14:46:00.000-05:002008-01-26T14:46:00.000-05:00Fr. Mark,It is good to pray for, and long for unit...Fr. Mark,<BR/><BR/>It is good to pray for, and long for unity and reconciliation. But, it is also good to say, "enough." The gentleman has made a choice, and that comes with a price. We have to stop saying it is OK for the schismatic folk to act. Rather we have to say, "We recognize we do have a need for you, but you simply must behave."<BR/><BR/>It is time to notice when someone proclaims alternate allegiance. It is also time to weep.<BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-30933329100061180672008-01-26T10:48:00.000-05:002008-01-26T10:48:00.000-05:00These poor people, We must remember how misled the...These poor people, <BR/>We must remember how misled they were/are by statements from those who would have the Episcopal Church removed from the communion. The confusion in their minds/souls. Remember a collar and a Mitre speak with great power to the pew, and the pew more often than not accepts what they hear as the whole truth. What is heard from the pulpit is often accepted as truth, these people were told they were protected and there would be no discernible change in status. The leadership of our church failed the flock by being more concerned about ministering to their fellow shepherds.Brunohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06602377427192842983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-7722561547812517672008-01-26T09:55:00.000-05:002008-01-26T09:55:00.000-05:00Yes, I know. And that, not his vote on an issue at...Yes, I know. And that, not his vote on an issue at the Diocesan Convention ought to be the basis of his removal.<BR/><BR/>I think its more than that you can't serve in two Provinces at once. There will be clear opportunities for conflict of interest and there will be matters discussed in executive session that ought not be shared with persons outside Executive Council, something hard to do if you are part of the governance of another Province.Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-2546675516230510542008-01-26T09:39:00.000-05:002008-01-26T09:39:00.000-05:00He is president of the Standing Committee of a dio...He is president of the Standing Committee of a diocese in the Southern Cone -- their rules are that no one can serve on a standing committee unless a member of their Province - seems pretty clear to me. This is no reflection on his character - just that you can't serve in both Provinces at once.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287169546184325690noreply@blogger.com