tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post79645654647626098..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: Archbishop Akinola and "the so called societal ladies."Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-26103979140051246072009-01-18T00:53:00.000-05:002009-01-18T00:53:00.000-05:00"If women aren't equal to men, then they are eithe..."If women aren't equal to men, then they are either inferior or superior."<BR/><BR/>I think we've forgotten that equality is a term applied only metaphorically to human beings.<BR/><BR/>Literally, it is a relationship between quantities. And human beings are not quantities.<BR/><BR/>So, no, I don't think that difference means inferiority or superiority.rick allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07612435616018593956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-74621558366768413482009-01-16T23:15:00.000-05:002009-01-16T23:15:00.000-05:00Eick,That is all that is involved and te problem i...Eick,<BR/><BR/>That is all that is involved and te problem is we have not all be feminists.<BR/><BR/>It is a profound insult to the likes of ABp Akinola to consider that women have the same potential rights as a superior critter like himself. That is precisely the problem.JimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-63302565976788319282009-01-16T11:31:00.000-05:002009-01-16T11:31:00.000-05:00I agree with you that Akinola's characterization o...I agree with you that Akinola's characterization of irresponsible motherhood as "feminism" seems to represent a deliberate distortion of what is normally meant by that term.<BR/><BR/>But I think the same can be said for the slogan, "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people." If that's all that's involved we've all been feminists for eons.<BR/><BR/>Of course I think I know what both errors are aiming at, Akinola implying that feminism leads to irresponsibility, your implication that acknowledging anything less that absolute equality is a denial of personhood. In that sense it's a common rhetorical device--but we should recognize its use appears on both sides of the pro and anti divide.rick allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07612435616018593956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-26708779698597405162009-01-15T08:34:00.000-05:002009-01-15T08:34:00.000-05:00To me it´s Akinola assuming things from reading th...To me it´s Akinola assuming things from reading thirdrate scandal sheets that are placed in front of him by +Tunde or somesuch non-astute attendent for attention...Akinola lives in his own little dented world of his own meant-to-sound-wise yet plain silly interpretations...¨Hooligan Children of LGBT and single parents¨ is his ROOT blunder (that he´s STILL trying to pasturize and make sensible and remotely ¨concerned¨) here.Leonardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16667415590825321701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-34764261586590416292009-01-15T01:59:00.000-05:002009-01-15T01:59:00.000-05:00Be it having a child without marriage - or leaving...Be it having a child without marriage - or leaving the father because he is irresponsible or violent - is hardly "feminism." It's survival sometimes.<BR/><BR/>Shall we all say a special prayer for the Mother's Union in Nigeria?Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09748809418423591030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-57748813711033636222009-01-14T23:19:00.000-05:002009-01-14T23:19:00.000-05:00Akinola is enough to make one question the efficac...Akinola is enough to make one question the efficacy of Baptism.<BR/><BR/>This man's words aren't Christian, and just about as opposite from God as you can get.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-66164681986150042972009-01-14T20:37:00.000-05:002009-01-14T20:37:00.000-05:00Mark, when I first read the line, "the so-called s...Mark, when I first read the line, "the so-called societal ladies" I thought it was an euphemism for whores --women who don't marry and sleep with whomever they please. And then when he linked feminist with whore I knew I should probably avoid ever being in a room with him!<BR/><BR/>I think it best not to ignore this kind of stuff, nor to think it will just go away with time. Like racism and homophobia, the hatred and persecution of women as women must be brought to light and called what it is: sin. Deadly sin.it's margarethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13577280471100732619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-65063210484838688812009-01-14T16:11:00.000-05:002009-01-14T16:11:00.000-05:00David... thanks on the link. I corrected it (I thi...David... thanks on the link. I corrected it (I think). <BR/><BR/>As to the read of the Primate.. he certainly is abrupt in speaking of men and women separately - men as irresponsible and women as feminists. The problem is that he views both as irresponsible to the family model. The one because personally irresponsible, the other because socially irresponsible. <BR/><BR/>The hook is the previous sentence about people taking pride in being single parents. It is the parental issue in both men and women that is in question. The difference he claims between men and women is the difference between personal and ideological irresponsibility. <BR/><BR/>The anti-feminist stuff was a throw-away ...and statement that made for good press, but not much else.<BR/><BR/>At least that is how I see it. On the other hand maybe I'm a bit angry about his dumping on people this way.<BR/><BR/>BTW, I really appreciate your checking in on the blog and your comments.Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-36080857997918307542009-01-14T14:52:00.000-05:002009-01-14T14:52:00.000-05:00Father Mark, the Conger link does not work correct...Father Mark, the Conger link does not work correctly. It misdirects.<BR/>*****<BR/><BR/>Forgive me, but please take another look at Akinola's words. I believe that you have misread the Primate of All Nigeria. I do not believe that he meant to equate feminist with women who abandon their children. He abruptly shifted gears and is speaking about women who are independently minded and are not seeking marriage.<BR/><BR/>So for him, fathers who abandon their families and women who do not marry and create families are setting bad examples for the current generation. Not that this reads any better, but I am sure you misunderstood his pointBrother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-17824651368938716432009-01-14T14:45:00.000-05:002009-01-14T14:45:00.000-05:00Mary Sue, I cannot speak for Akinola's cure, but D...Mary Sue, I cannot speak for Akinola's cure, but David Schofield once told a woman whose husband was physically abusive, that it was her duty to "Go home and do your wifely duty. That's the way God ordained it."Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11622358803103789307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-16886651464399633952009-01-14T14:04:00.000-05:002009-01-14T14:04:00.000-05:00As an abuse survivor, I cringe reading that letter...As an abuse survivor, I cringe reading that letter and wonder how many women in his cure are staying with abusive husbands because it's their duty. <BR/><BR/>I don't have to wonder about the shame those who have left must feel in reading that letter. To me, it's like a physical blow. And I'm unfortunately very familiar with what those feel like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-63243478685143074192009-01-14T13:53:00.000-05:002009-01-14T13:53:00.000-05:00Mark,The likes of Akinola, Iker, et. al. will pass...Mark,<BR/>The likes of Akinola, Iker, et. al. will pass. The influence of such autocrats who pontificate such stuff is ebbing. I beleive that Lambeth showed not only that TEC will continue to do what is necessary for the People of God in our church, but that it is possible for us to worship together with differeing opinions and differeing customs. <BR/><BR/>I am looking forward to being in FTW for the first time in 30 years.Muthah+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10589837671378205837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-23077281633603406992009-01-14T13:50:00.000-05:002009-01-14T13:50:00.000-05:00Thank God for Archbishop Akinola and his stance fo...Thank God for Archbishop Akinola and his stance for the gospel of Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-4594201827897109172009-01-14T11:25:00.000-05:002009-01-14T11:25:00.000-05:00I will venture a guess and say, "no, no one in the...I will venture a guess and say, "no, no one in the schismatic group cares" Mark. Certainly not in SJ and FW.<BR/><BR/>I believe what is most troubling is that the women in these groups stand back and 1) let that be said and 2) believe it themselves.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11622358803103789307noreply@blogger.com