tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post8962985275207504349..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: True Christians are to Terrible Muslims as True Anglicans are to Miserable Episcopalians.Mark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-68576104965163004412009-09-02T09:41:17.932-04:002009-09-02T09:41:17.932-04:00Someone remind me again, how many liberal religiou...Someone remind me again, how many liberal religious or liberal secularist suicide bombers are out there?Counterlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345956180434795401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-5896934971765366622009-09-01T23:33:37.154-04:002009-09-01T23:33:37.154-04:00(laughing)
Wow, Phil,
We agree!
We are a diffe...(laughing)<br /><br />Wow, Phil, <br /><br />We agree!<br /><br />We are a different religion! <br /><br /><i>We</i> follow Christ!<br /><br />As for capitulating to the culture . . . which culture? The general popular culture which votes against same-sex marriage and supports the death penalty, which decries giving "my money to deadbeats?" Or the culture of Jesus and His Disciples? 'Cause "No" on the first, and "Yes" on the second.<br /><br />Please stop the disingenuous outrage. Nobody buys it.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-17867733696295259892009-09-01T18:11:10.130-04:002009-09-01T18:11:10.130-04:00I have every intention of sitting out this encore ...I have every intention of sitting out this encore of the Crusades.Counterlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345956180434795401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-25311792988221389592009-09-01T17:07:01.047-04:002009-09-01T17:07:01.047-04:00It has nothing to do with black and white, IT - un...It has nothing to do with black and white, IT - unless you think one becomes black by "behaving black." And, if you think that, I would suggest that carries more than a hint of racism; if not, your comment is irrelevant.<br /><br />-----<br /><br />I'd like to be more precise about what I wrote above: I think Nazir-Ali is unquestionably correct that many aspects of the mass media view (= "progressive Christian" view) of sexuality and marriage reflect "another religion" than Christianity. However, I was not intending to claim that those holding those views are not Christian.Philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-28427723293769961552009-09-01T13:30:47.776-04:002009-09-01T13:30:47.776-04:00yeah, Phil. And that pesky marriage between black...yeah, Phil. And that pesky marriage between black and white....that was considered Bibilically suspect back then in 1903. Terrible thing, knowledge and justice....<br /><br />The capcha is "matings".IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-61109875016941638792009-09-01T11:42:38.971-04:002009-09-01T11:42:38.971-04:00I am reminded of a comment that Bp Gene Robinson&#...I am reminded of a comment that Bp Gene Robinson's predecessor made when he was accused of capitulating to the culture on the sexuality issue back in 1985 - if they he was capitulating to the culture New Hampshire they must know nothing about that state! Yes, Phil is right that in 1903 our position would have been clearly counter-cultural, but it was in 2003 and still is in 2009.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-17576823489686722992009-09-01T10:35:23.472-04:002009-09-01T10:35:23.472-04:00This is the new meme from the Anglican Right: that...This is the new meme from the Anglican Right: that to even talk about sexuality, women's ordination, blessing gay partnership is "conformity" and "capitualation" to the "world." <br /><br />Nazir-Ali says it here, Chris Sugden said when +Gene was invited to Greenbelt. <br /><br />It is, in its way, an admission (and a rather desperate one at that) that the tide is running against them.Andrew Gernshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10915827125794387657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-61248849544936622832009-09-01T10:06:06.992-04:002009-09-01T10:06:06.992-04:00I understand your annoyance, but in saying "W...I understand your annoyance, but in saying "We now have people in the US but not only there who believe things about God, about salvation, about marriage and about human sexuality that seem to be another religion," Nazir-Ali is unquestionably correct. As he is when he suggests revisionists have capitulated to the culture. The view of sexuality, most notably, but not exclusively, the notion that a man could "marry" another man, expressed by ECUSA has no foundation in Christian thought - ever. As to secularism, you might have an argument if ECUSA had pushed same-sex coupling in 1903 rather than 2003, when "Will and Grace" and "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" were already well-established cultural facts.Philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-69973685775740163082009-09-01T09:25:44.071-04:002009-09-01T09:25:44.071-04:00"Baptists with a taste for liturgy"
Thi..."Baptists with a taste for liturgy"<br /><br />This is pretty interesting. I hadn't thought about this angle before. I've been reading a lot about the "emergent" movement lately, and one of the features of that is a rediscovery among people without roots in ancient forms of worship and prayer of ancient spiritual practices (Phyllis Tickle has a lot to say about this; Scot McKnight, too). So, praying the Hours, reading the Rule of Benedict, Lectio Divina, and much else are suddenly hot topics.<br /><br />Now, of course, most emergents are liberal on at least some social issues and pretty loose about doctrine, so I'm not suggesting the breakaway anglicans are moving into their territory. But it occurs to me that there may in fact be a market niche for a church of Baptists with liturgy. Maybe they'll have some success not so much as anglicans with an unusually evangelical theology, but as evangelicals with an unusually catholic flavor of worship. In other words, maybe their future growth will not be so much through poaching Episcopalians, but Baptists and non-denominationalists.<br /><br />Peace,<br /><br />MarkPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-35337126918769732582009-09-01T09:04:28.037-04:002009-09-01T09:04:28.037-04:00Fr. Daniel Weir... perhaps I am. But I was thinkin...Fr. Daniel Weir... perhaps I am. But I was thinking of parallels to the Barnabas Fund whose interest in converting the Jews is right up there with confronting Islam. The evangelical support of Israel is a different matter and on that you bang on. But remember the support of Israel is a prelude to events of the end times. What happens then leaves everyone not saved in trouble.<br /><br />Or at least that is what they tell me.Mark Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-8446056416203477772009-09-01T08:50:01.234-04:002009-09-01T08:50:01.234-04:00Mark,
I think you are wrong in adding "Jews ...Mark,<br /><br />I think you are wrong in adding "Jews to the crowd" given the Zionist stance of many US evangelicals. A writer - I don't recall who - suggested that the right-wing attacks on gays were prompted by the need to have an enemy. The traditional enemies of some conservatives were no longer available: Roman Catholics because of the abortion issue, African-Americans because they were seen as potential allies on "family values" issues and Jews because of the evangleical support for Israel. While ACnA is not the Southern Baptist Convention, I think it will not stray far from conservative support of Israel. One congregation in WNY that will, I think, be part of ACNA had years of teaching and preaching about the Second Coming from a rector whom I value as a friend. I happened to read a Palm Sunday sermon he preached in another congregation after he retired. His central point was that the Palm Sunday entrance into Jerusalem was a kind of dress rehearsal for the Second Coming.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-18466604359034269932009-08-31T23:56:04.702-04:002009-08-31T23:56:04.702-04:00Nazir-Ali is the perfect example of the clerical r...Nazir-Ali is the perfect example of the clerical rabble-rouser. <br /><br />It suits him to keep people terrified and divided, for whatever reason; mainly, I suspect, a sense of personal power. <br /><br />A false prophet, a dishonest shepherd.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.com