tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post9026297397608353275..comments2024-02-15T03:32:25.686-05:00Comments on Preludium, Anglican and Episcopal futures: AMiA's new bishops, and a few footnotesMark Harrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06871096746243771489noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-12041014503382408882008-01-30T18:41:00.000-05:002008-01-30T18:41:00.000-05:00I did read that book, Lapinbizarre, when I was in ...I did read that book, Lapinbizarre, when I was in seminary, and recently a book by Lewis Keizer entitled <I>The Wandering Bishops: Apostles Of A New Spirituality</I>. The Rt. Rev. Keizer has been traveling about making even more <I>episcopi vagantes</I> for those who tend more towards the New Age influence. I'm always amazed at how many of these wandering bishops are wandering about, and how glamorous and fabulous their titles become. <BR/>What a wiggly world!!Padre Mickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580459577853346369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-47170710731504752132008-01-30T15:27:00.000-05:002008-01-30T15:27:00.000-05:00Anson makes it clear that the authenticity of some...Anson makes it clear that the authenticity of some of these lines of succession is pretty suspect, to put it mildly. Some of these guys collected lines of consecration, racking up two or three different successions, maybe for the fun of it, maybe to be on the safe side.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-15662740372259835882008-01-30T12:57:00.000-05:002008-01-30T12:57:00.000-05:00...things seem to be unraveling with the protester...<I>...things seem to be unraveling with the protesters.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah. <BR/><BR/><I>I've always felt the same about the proliferation of Old Catholic bishops.</I><BR/><BR/>To fair most of them aren't really Old Catholic bishops. Welcome to the 'lines of succession' game, or 'I haven't got a real church but this is just as good' (note that RCs and Orthodox don't talk about their succession that way; they've got nothing to prove): they were consecrated by people consecrated by people consecrated by people who LEFT the Old Catholics!<BR/><BR/>(My terms: Old Catholic = Utrecht, Anglican = Lambeth, RC = actually under the Pope, Orthodox = in the Orthodox communion with Moscow, Constantinople and company.)<BR/><BR/>I'll have to remember that definition of 'collar queen'.Ecgberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06354592772973677609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-17537674273428593822008-01-29T23:19:00.000-05:002008-01-29T23:19:00.000-05:00""episcopi vagantes"...It is a spectacular study o...<B>""episcopi vagantes"...It is a spectacular study of how things spin out of control in the absence of central authority."</B><BR/><BR/>I've always felt the same about the proliferation of Old Catholic bishops.<BR/><BR/><B>""collar lust" (people who want to be clergy for the wrong reasons)."</B><BR/><BR/>As opposed to "collar queens" (people who have a overwhelming desire to be the significant other of a clergy person.Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-42169330976188312212008-01-29T23:00:00.000-05:002008-01-29T23:00:00.000-05:00Mark,I am a little confused. * AMiA (Anglicans Mi...Mark,<BR/><BR/>I am a little confused. <BR/><BR/>* AMiA (Anglicans Missing in America)have suddenly reemerged and are now betrothed to Rwanda (with their fingers crossed perhaps).<BR/><BR/>* San Joaquin heads south to the Cone but there seems to be a problem of who is in and who is out - the Standing Committee.<BR/><BR/>* Finally, Duncan, et. al. look for a new province for North America to replace the TEC. Is an extra + before his name an equivalent of hitting the Power Ball Lottery?<BR/><BR/>As I have watched your blog these days, things seem to be unraveling with the protesters. <BR/><BR/>Who is really on first base?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-39808568412277803882008-01-29T18:52:00.000-05:002008-01-29T18:52:00.000-05:00I've got Anson's book: it's a hoot and a cautionar...I've got Anson's book: it's a hoot and a cautionary tale on the dangerous game of separating 'valid' orders from the context of the church as well as 'collar lust' (people who want to be clergy for the wrong reasons).Ecgberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06354592772973677609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-6271072577314963862008-01-29T16:56:00.000-05:002008-01-29T16:56:00.000-05:00The "can never be eliminated" part isn't just funn...The "can never be eliminated" part isn't just funny - it's truly puzzling. Isn't the idea that missionary endeavors, be they in the US, Africa, or wherever, will one day be independent?The Religious PĂcarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620636294081499041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-58330485790302831802008-01-29T11:59:00.000-05:002008-01-29T11:59:00.000-05:00Padre Mickey, if you get the chance - and the titl...Padre Mickey, if you get the chance - and the title was recently reprinted in expensive paperback , tho' not nearly as expensive as the hardback first edition can be - check out Peter Anson's "Bishops at Large", originally published by Faber in 1964. It's a study of irregularly consecrated Roman succession "episcopi vagantes" from the 1840's through the early 1960's. It is a spectacular study of how things spin out of control in the absence of central authority. There are some deeply disturbed people here and some very, very funny ones - sometimes both. Their titles, as you surmise, become increasingly baroque as sects divide and proliferate. The photographs alone more than repay the cost of entry. Your public library should be able to root out a copy of the reprint for you.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-12409770354798670762008-01-28T21:51:00.000-05:002008-01-28T21:51:00.000-05:00"Eliminated" in Rwanda having a particularly omino..."Eliminated" in Rwanda having a particularly <I>ominous</I> meaning. :-/<BR/><BR/>What does everyone think about an AMiA bishop (I believe, retired) being among the consecrating bishops of TEC's (?) new bishop of South Carolina? [I'm not happy about it, fer shur!]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-48713565839936316802008-01-28T18:58:00.000-05:002008-01-28T18:58:00.000-05:00With all these bishops, they will soon have to hav...With all these bishops, they will soon have to have even more grand titles, such as Patriarch and Metropolitan and Super-Elevated-Supreme-Archbishop-of-All Jacksonville.Padre Mickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580459577853346369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-37216255001356792852008-01-28T12:07:00.000-05:002008-01-28T12:07:00.000-05:00The consecration of Terrell Glenn, of All Saints C...The consecration of Terrell Glenn, of All Saints Church, Pawleys Island will be an interesting development, since the diocese of South Carolina has been plaintiff in a case against the secessionist congregation at All Saints since 2005. The suit, to reclaim the church building for those in the congregation who remained with TEC, is particularly interesting since ownership hinges in part on a pre-revolutionary deed of gift. There seems to be little legal question that but for this, the church building would automatically revert to TEC under state law - something of which the SC diocese has to be well aware.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-63772362915663886842008-01-28T11:54:00.000-05:002008-01-28T11:54:00.000-05:00"Bishops in their shovel hats,Were plentiful as ta..."Bishops in their shovel hats,<BR/>Were plentiful as tabby cats,<BR/>In point of fact too many."<BR/><BR/>WSGLapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-34513365683202206712008-01-28T10:06:00.000-05:002008-01-28T10:06:00.000-05:00looks like a church of bishops is growing. I wonde...looks like a church of bishops is growing. I wonder when they will elevate deacons to bishops? Will there be no priests? just bishop and lay? "A bishop in every church" is sounding like it should be their campaign slogan.Brunohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06602377427192842983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10326675.post-90776264457133681552008-01-27T23:34:00.000-05:002008-01-27T23:34:00.000-05:00this "can never be eliminated" part is really funn...this "can never be eliminated" part is really funny. Who in Rwanda thinks these people can be trusted to keep such promises?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com