Birds circling, bodies suspected below.

Word has it from Jim Naughton, over at Daily Episcopalian, that a number of realignment folk have gathered in Dar Es Salaam, a venue that few of them, I suspect, ever envisioned visiting prior to the Primates Meeting.

Jim raises an interesting question: "I wonder if they are aware that their presence in Tanzania, like their presence in Northern Ireland, convey to the rest of the world that they don't trust Peter Akinola, Bernard Malango, Gregory Venables et. al. to manage on thier own?" I second that question, and raise it one: does their presence in Tanzania signal what we already suspected, that Archbishops Akinola, Malango and Venalbes, et. al. are being manipulated, i.e., handled?

May they all sit in their hotel and talk on their cell phones and manage and manipulate and cajole and dicker. Let it all go. "Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy." (Rev 22:11 RSV)

God will sort it out in the end. And, by the way, I am not placing my bets on the strategists of exclusion.


  1. Jeremy Pemberton12/2/07 5:17 AM

    I think you will find that this is very far from being Canon Chris Sugden's first visit to Dar

  2. Jeremy...fair enough. I corrected the blog entry. Looking at his vita online I suspect he might well have visited Dar before. For that matter any of those going might have done so. I overstated the remark.

  3. Your stated suspicion that GS primates are being "manipulated" says more about you and your prejudices than it does about conservatives.

  4. "Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy."

    How very sad. An Episcopal priest calling his brethren evil and filthy (surely you didn't mean they were holy and righteous) and calling African archbishops too stupid to act on the world stage without first worlders pulling the strings.

  5. So PBp Katherine attends this meeting alone, with nearly no staff, no lobby groups with cell phones who just happen to be in the same city, nothing but word, sacrement and spirit. At the same time, ABp. Akinola and his cadre of non-globals arive with Dr. Virtue, the immoderator, and a two day preview strategy session.

    Listen for the Titusonenine crowd to claim the "revisionists" are political. Dr. Virtue is already blaming poor Bp Spong who cannot stop being the sign of all evil for the neo-pharisiees, even in retirement.


  6. Perhaps they are there at the invitation of the GS primates - to help translate TECism into English so that the primates will know what +KJS said or what she meant.

    I don't believe it is a matter of mistrust on the part of either the "realignment leaders" or on the GS primates. I rather think it is a matter of the GS primates not trusting +KJS to tell them the truth or to abide by any agreement they may reach. Witness ++Frank's agreement that the consecration of +Robinson would tear the fabric (schism) of the communion. A few weeks later, +Frank consecrated +Robinson and wondered what that ripping sound was.

    Phil Snyder

  7. Dear anonymous: PLEASE use some sort of name so that readers, including me, can know if you are different from other "anonymous" posters. I'd like to post your comments, but after a while I will have to decide not to.

    To the anonymous who dislikes my reference to Revelation. I am not calling my brethren evil and filthy..I am suggesting that we just ought to let it all play out, not knowing who is the evil, the filthy, the righteous and the holy. God will sort it out.

    As to the matter of who is the handler and who handled, I don't assign that to stupidity, I assign the string pulling (which ever way it goes) to the desire (from whatever direction) to produce a strategy for control of the agenda.

    I do not think the African Archbishops stupid and have never said so. They are not without guile, however, and are to be taken quite seriously.


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