Having a bit of time to explore this evening and thinking again about Dr. Noll's concern that evangelicals only send their seminarians to the "right" schools, and in particular Nashotah House and Trinity Episcopal School for Ministry, I was wandering around over at BabyBlueCafe, where the music is delightful. She carried the CANA message about new parishes coming into CANA. There are now are 37 churches registered in CANA.
So I thought to find out where the clergy went for seminary training. Results are:
Rev'd Donald Helmandollar, Connecticut, Seminary of the East, Worcester, Mass., and BDS (where is that) for Anglicanization. He is one of the Connecticut Six.
Rev'd David Allert, Florida, TESM
Rev'd Donald Armstrong, Colorado, VTS
Rev'd Bill Haley, Washington, DC, Gordon Conwell, ordained by Frank Lyons as Deacon.
Rev'd Lawrence Harrison, Texas, TESM
Rev'd Toby Larson, Virginia, Gordon Conwell
So of the six, two went to Gordon Conwell, two went to Trinity Episcopal School for Ministry, one went to the Seminary of the East, and one went to Virginia Theological Seminary. Five of the six went to "orthodox" evangelical seminaries. Fr. Armstrong alone went to one of the untrustworthy Episcopal seminaries.
On one level Noll's concern as to where evangelical Anglican clergy are being trained is borne out in this small sample. No one went to Nashotah, only two went to TESM.
In looking for this information (which I believe I got correctly…if not I am sure to hear!) I also found something else.
These are good people (including Fr. Armstrong who is into snakes up to his armpits). The folk they are gathering together are doing what we all do in gathering… trying to live out the faith, be followers in the Way, etc. The communities are of various sizes. Two of the clergy are on Louie Crew's list of Black Clergy. Several are only recently ordained. There are no women among them. I am not sure if there are any in CANA at all. (I am sure again that someone will tell me if there are. In fact, it would be helpful if the CANA website would list the congregations and clergy that now belong.)
Looking at the sites for these congregations and at the talents of the clergy I can understand why CANA is glad to proclaim that these congregations have joined CANA.
So, on the grounds that anyone who is a friend of Jesus is a friend of mine, Mazel Tov.
Having said that I am still critical of CANA's leadership for its schismatic actions. It appears that Bishop Minns and Archbishop Akinola are building a community of congregations almost entirely led by evangelically trained clergy with the hope of becoming the "legitimate" Anglican presence in North America to the exclusion of the Episcopal Church. In doing so they will diminish the Episcopal Church, who lose some of the evangelical voices, they damn the Episcopal Church by making it the enemy of the true faith, and they contribute to the demise of a church (TEC) inclusive of a broad range of clergy and congregations.
They will become monochromatic. They will do so because they believe TEC with all its untidiness has abandoned the true faith.
Ok, if that's the case, then they can go start their own church. That is indeed what they are doing. But they are claiming that in doing so they are church, and we are not. There is no reason in the world to put up with this, the worst sort of evangelical purist talk. Many of us in this feisty community called The Episcopal Church are not willing to have CANA proclaim itself as the real thing – the local and specific agent of the Anglican Communion in North America.
Of course it could all be moot rather quickly. Bishop Minns is not going to Lambeth it appears, and Archbishop Akinola may decide not to either, he and his bishops. The break in communion with The Episcopal Church from the Church of Nigeria's side is a reality. It may soon be that that same break comes from them against Canterbury.
I am confident however that The Episcopal Church will continue to have folk from Gordon Conwell, TESM, VTS and every other seminary in the US and from many outside the US. The Episcopal Church will continue to be feisty and contentious within its broad reach. We will be part of Archbishop Desmond Tutu's "untidy" Anglican Communion. The tidy one down the road, well… who knows.
But I come back to this: these congregations in CANA are not the problem. I am sorry that some have felt they could not stay. They are still our companions in Christ, although now distant. They will find their way home just as will we all. I wish them well.
As usual, your analysis seems about right. One small point: +Abuja is already out of communion with +Canterbury. In Dar es Salaam, Akinola would not share the Eucharist with the other primates, including Canterbury. If that's not out of communion, I'm not sure what is. That seems to me to be even more important than whatever institutional definitions we might try to apply.ReplyDelete
Oh, and I suspect "BDS" is Berkeley Divinity School.ReplyDelete
Re "Fr. Armstrong alone went to one of the untrustworthy Episcopal seminaries.":ReplyDelete
So did Peter Akinola, so either VTS isn't all bad, or else its badness failed to rub off on them!
I'm glad thatReplyDelete
you're "confident however that The Episcopal Church will continue to have folk from Gordon Conwell, TESM, VTS and every other seminary in the US and from many outside the US. The Episcopal Church will continue to be feisty and contentious within its broad reach. "
I have learned over the years that whenever elite whites use the the "folk" to describe people, they are starting to frame a lie.
If you think that being "feisty and contentious" is a value, then I'm forced to agree with your critics who assert that you're all just grey and withering boomers who can't grow up or give up.
I don't knpw whether the TEC will continue to have ordinands from those seminaries, but I do know that I. and many of the people that I know, who have been Episcopalians for years and generations are leaving.
In my neighborhood, we're mostly going to Rome.
anonymous...please use a name...any name.ReplyDelete
As for framing a lie, being an elite white, etc, the latter is true, the former is false. I presume you speak from a different place? For example being a truth teller who never uses the word folk, or perhaps not an elite white.
Either way, the credentials don't work if you don't step forward.
I really like the statement, "But they are claiming that in doing so they are church, and we are not."ReplyDelete
I could live peacefully with my former rector (We still speak and inquire about family etc...) but it's very hurtful to me that she believes I'm some kind of pagan/heretic. The same is true of BabyBlue.
One must remember though, a lot of this rhetoric is used to sell these "folks" as the legitimate Episcopal/Anglican church and therefore give them claim to property and money. Which makes me wonder, "is it ok to hurt people for the almighty dollar?" Who is Lord, Caesar or Christ?
As for leaving for Rome, no thanks. I find my faith more important than just praying, paying and obeying. Besides, The RCC is one of the few organizations allowed to practiced institutionalized discrimination (women in the priesthood).
Just some thoughts.
Bob in SWPA
Regarding "elite whites," one of the most amusing things about all this "Anglican" melodrama has been the spectacle of painfully white suburban reactionaries, like the Truro/Falls Church crowd, pretending to be down with the people.ReplyDelete
On Scott Gunn's comment.ReplyDelete
"One small point: +Abuja is already out of communion with +Canterbury. In Dar es Salaam, Akinola would not share the Eucharist with the other primates, including Canterbury." Is this based on failure to share the table with ++Williams or the fact that any reference to Canterbury was removed from the Church of Nigeria Constitution in 2005? EpfizH
Both -- no sharing of Eucharist, literally means you are not in Communion. Removing Canterbury from the constitution seems to do the same thing, from a different angle. I'll ask again, who has walked apart?ReplyDelete